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Old 07-31-2007, 02:35 PM
 
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What about this eye witness report of the pentagon crash?
Eyewitness to Flight 77
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Old 07-31-2007, 02:49 PM
 
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What about this eye witness report of the pentagon crash?
Eyewitness to Flight 77
Wow, amazing report, itemized line by line with a doubt injecting comment tagged to every statement. That's sure to be accurate.
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:25 PM
 
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For all you 9-11 conspiracy chasers, chew on this....

The largest building to ever be destroyed by controlled demolition was the Hudson Building in Detroit, Michigan, on October 24, 1998. The building was 25 stories, over 450 feet. it took almost a ton of explosives and several weeks to accomplish this task...

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com...?recordid=53136 (broken link)

The same company who took out the Hudson Building also took out the Kingdome in Seattle. It took four months to do that one - Controlled Demolition Inc. (CDI) had Aman’s drilling subcontractor drill 5,905 holes for CDI’s explosive placements in the tension and compression rings, roof ribs, columns and support structure under the Kingdome. During loading operations, CDI laid 21.6 miles of detonating cord and placed more than 4,700 lb. of explosives in critical locations to control the fall of the structure and reduce vibration.

http://www.controlled-demolition.co...=20030317140323 (broken link)

And even another large structure, the Sears merchandise Center in Philadelphia which was destroyed in 1994 REQUIRED OVER 12,000 POUNDS OF EXPLOSIVES!!

One could see the amount of work it takes to set up a building for controlled demolition. As stated previously, even if it was an inside job the resources to carry it out would of been enormous, let alone accomplishing it undetected. On any given day, some 50,000 people worked in the towers with another 200,000 passing through as visitors. The complex was so large that it had its own zip code: 10048.

Here's a picture of a wired building. Do you think this could of been hidden from 50,000 WTC tenant's?!?!?




It would of been impossible to accomplish this undetected. In addition it was documented by Filipino intelligence officials that a plot to hijack aircraft and fly them into buildings was floating around in the terrorist community since the mid-90's. I would agree to this whole thing being a conspiracy if these facts didn't exists, but they do....

At this point what should be looked at is the intelligence failures, the resources of those who attempt to carry attacks like this, and the most important, stopping those who perpetuate Muslim radicals (the ******* clerics) from attacking the US...

MORE!

Conspiracy chasers would want the public to believe that flight 93 was shot down by F-16s. Here's some food for thought....

The F-16 is a multi role fighter used for air-to-air combat and ground support. Most bases that operate this aircraft train for the multi role mission and prepare for overseas deployment.

The F-15 is the USAF primary air-to-air fighter and the backbone of air defense of the Continental US. During the cold war years, F-15s normally did the intercepting of snooping Russian aircraft. Their role is basically the same.

MY POINT - F-16s will normally not be on alert for interception or scramble!

911 Research does do a good point of showing this but fails to mention F-16s are normally not under the control of NORAD or on air defense alert, that job is for the F-15....

9-11 Research: Air Defense
Good job but some errors.

From the site - "At 10:01 AM the FAA ordered the 180th Fighter Wing out of Swanton, Ohio, to scramble F-16 fighters." The FAA has no authority to "order" fighters to scramble - that lies with the USAF (DUH!)

This unit was the only F-16 unit close enough to perform an intercept over Pennsylvania in the shown time frame although F-16s as far away as Andrews and Michigan were now being called. One controller from New Hampshire reports another F-16 was in the area as well. Flight 93 crashed at 10:06, that gave the fighters at from the 180th FW (the closest ones) 5 1/2 minutes to scramble, get to altitude, pick up the target and shoot down flight 93 like some alleged.

Let's see, the F-16s top speed is 1,321 mph. From the base to the crash point of flight 93 is 233 miles. That would of meant the aircraft had to take off and immediately go to full after-burner and reach the target in 5 minutes - If the F-16 went full afterburner climbed up to altitude and shoot down flight 93, it would of also meant that the aircraft was performing within the lower part of it's combat radius which is about 330 miles. That means the aircraft would not make it back to Toledo.

The closest place to land would of been Pittsburgh, but no conspiracy chasers jump on this...

It would of also meant that if the intercept would of happened under the noses of Pittsburgh International Airport and other ATC Centers - if a shoot down would of occurred, someone would of heard it...

The final tally - every East Coast ATC center is attempting to talk to flight 93 - several F-15s and F-16 in the air. No one admits to a shoot down order although the first two F-15 pilots on scene were told that flight 93 was shot down (I even remember that being reported in the chaos and confusion of the day) and no ground crews who service these aircraft (who happen to be mainly non-career enlisted personnel) admit to any weapons being deployed after all of this. - THIS IS THE BIGGEST HOLE OF ALL WITH REGARDS TO FLIGHT 93! - Someone explain this to me!!!!!

More!

The buildings fell in 102 and 56 minutes respectively.

According to the report by Steven Jones, the WTC were "designed to withstand forces caused by large commercial aircraft – we can agree on that." That statement is reckless because "large commercial aircraft" can vary in weight by several tons. Although his report is very compelling and well done, there is no analysis done on the effects of a Boeing 767 with 160,000 pounds of jet fuel flying at 250 knots at full power hitting the structure - that alone is a wide open hole in his report, although with that much kinetic energy and it being unknown what was inside the towers as far as other flammable substances, one could only speculate.

Where the aircraft penetrated within the WTC caused that portion of the building to fail - at that point the rest just collapsed upon itself due to the structure being compromised and from the weight of the upper floors. Here's some other things that shoots big hols in this conspiracy...


If those buildings were wired (including building 7) it would of taken a lot of explosives to accomplish what is alleged. That would of meant that crews working on the buildings would of had access to secure parts of these buildings. Knowing that there may be dozens of maintenance and custodial personnel at the WTC 24/7 bringing in large quantities of explosives and wiring them would of been a monumental task, aside accomplishing it undetected by building tenants, residents and tourists....

But lets assume the buildings were wired - bringing them down when the aircraft struck would of required coordination between the aircraft and the "demolition team." There is no evidence mentioned by anyone anywhere that radio communication was made from the aircraft with anyone else besides ATC....

Four companies completed the WTC clean up, Turner Construction, AMEC Construction, Tully Construction and Bovis Lend Lease. Several thousand people were involved in this and yet we hear little from them except lawsuits filed over worker health issues, why is that? you think that they would of fond somethings besides the molten steel argument that is brought up on a half a dozen websites.

There are allegations of explosions at the base of the buildings but its clear from all the footage of both towers that the failures started at where the aircraft damaged the buildings. With all these allegations you would think someone, a worker a participant in the alleged wiring of the buildings or others would come forward and say that they actually saw squibs going off to bring down the buildings but yet the only one the conspiracy theory folks have is William Rodriquez.

Considering that the WTC was a previous target by Islamic Terrorists several years earlier, there is nothing to point otherwise that they would of attempted an attack like this again. But going back to the original point, if the WTC and building 7 was wired, how and when were the explosive placed there. There would be hundreds if not thousands of people setting this up and with that many loose ends it would inedible that someone would come forward....

And then you have the planes - we could agree that they being flown by remote control is ridiculous, so then who flew them to the target?

AND MORE!


NOTE THE DATE OF THIS REPORT

Philippines: U.S. missed 9/11 clues years ago

Allegation follows congressional report faulting spy agencies


Your conspiracy has to support your speculation as well as the obvious and in reality most of the 911 conspiracy is being perpetuated by very misinformed and ignorant people.

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Old 07-31-2007, 03:47 PM
 
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Very good points, flyboy.
I will also add that the buildings were supposed to be able to withstand impact from airplanes, but when the towers were built in the early '70s, there were no 757 planes around yet.

Hopefully, this ridiculous 9/11 "conspiracy" will finally be put to rest because there are no legitimate facts to back up the claims.
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:51 PM
 
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Wow, amazing report, itemized line by line with a doubt injecting comment tagged to every statement. That's sure to be accurate.
That site also thinks the moon landings were faked! Lol.
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:02 PM
 
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After reading the full text of the executive order I do think it's about time Congress acted to restrain Bush. While I think the theory may go a bit far thinking the goal may be to stage a coup d'etat it's about time the concept of the Constitution and its system of checks and balances was reintroduced to the White House.
Restrain him from what? Trying to protect the U.S.?

Too bad Pres. Roosevelt wasn't restrained when he ordered thousands of Japanese-Americans into concentration camps in our own country. Talk about a violation of civil rights!
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Old 07-31-2007, 04:12 PM
 
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Very good points, flyboy.
I will also add that the buildings were supposed to be able to withstand impact from airplanes, but when the towers were built in the early '70s, there were no 757 planes around yet.

Hopefully, this ridiculous 9/11 "conspiracy" will finally be put to rest because there are no legitimate facts to back up the claims.
Thanks Fleet - The WTC was designed to take the impact of a 707. A fully loaded one might of done similar damage but the 707's engines were a lot smaller.

This whole conspiracy trash would of left thousands of co-conspirators as well as witnesses. There would of been no way to silence all of them with money, bodily harm or brainwashing. I haven't even scratched the surface with regards to the Pentagon.....
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Old 07-31-2007, 06:22 PM
 
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Wow, amazing report, itemized line by line with a doubt injecting comment tagged to every statement. That's sure to be accurate.
The man speaking on the audio sounded scared, and concerned to me. Stating that not one of them was looking for any remains/bodies. The jet had no windows in it according to him. That would be real hard to miss the windows in a jet of that size.
This goes both ways. Some believe the lies, either way...I guess no one can prove it 100%!
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Old 07-31-2007, 06:27 PM
 
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The man speaking on the audio sounded scared, and concerned to me. Stating that not one of them was looking for any remains/bodies. The jet had no windows in it according to him. That would be real hard to miss the windows in a jet of that size.
This goes both ways. Some believe the lies, either way...I guess no one can prove it 100%!
If it wasn't a passenger plane which hit the Pentagon, where are the passengers on that flight? Where is Barbara Olson?
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Old 07-31-2007, 06:28 PM
 
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Restrain him from what? Trying to protect the U.S.?

Too bad Pres. Roosevelt wasn't restrained when he ordered thousands of Japanese-Americans into concentration camps in our own country. Talk about a violation of civil rights!
Would you rather it be you in one of those camps?
Let me ask you a question. Have you read the executive order allowing Bush to take your property if you disagree with the war on Iraq? Talk about civil rights? We are on the brink of losing ours! What happened to freedom of speech? People do not always agree, that is what makes this forum so interesting!
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