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american liberals are fascists marxists...that is FACT
I'm an "American liberal" I am sure by your standards (anyone to the left of Rush).
I am a capitalist. Fascists are not social liberals. I am. Marxists aren't pro-business, especially small business. I am a capitalist that thinks it's OK to have some regulatory safeguards in place. I think over-regulations is bad. I abhor red tape and unnecesssary bureacracy, just like ANYONE would.
So you're already 100% wrong.
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american liberals care NOT about the individual, but how to make you conform totheir 'society'
How can someone be a social liberal and NOT care about the rights of OTHER individuals? That's the very definition of social liberal - which is of course about respecting individuals' rights to act like they want, which is the opposite of the conformity so obviously sought by the authoritarian right or authoritarian left.
So you're 100% wrong, again.
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american liberals think not of freedom, but of regulatory CHAINS
See above. Some regulations are good. Some are not. Saying that they are all bad is every bit as stupid and ignorant as saying they are all good.
Only extremists think like that.
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american liberals want the SLAVERY of the people, to do their bidding
So believing that people can live how they want, marry how they want, and the government should respect individual rights like whether someone reproduces or not, or should have medical privacy without government interference, etc., is "slavery?"
As if this statement had any meaning anyway. Sheesh.
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american liberals talk of the 'evil' corporations, then behind your back support those very same corporations, and have the unions (also a corporation) do their bidding
Unions are not corporations, but they are just as suspceptible to corruption and abuses of power as corporations are. Plus, this is a nonsense statement. Whether a particular liberal likes a particular corporation or not has a lot to do with what that corporation does and how.
So when you ignore this, your statement just becomes a hollow and meaningless propaganda talking point. Actually that describes your whole post.
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american liberal unions use their flag waving, slogans to pump up the 'nationalism' in their base...slogans like 'solidarity'
Oh boy. As if the Right hasn't tried to toot the nationalist horn every chance they get. They've practically cornered the market on faux patriotism.
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spin as much as you want..but that is what is happening.. and has been since the 1880's when the 'progressives' (liberals) started taking over the democrat party
Spin it as much as YOU want. You seem to know very little about actual liberals and who they are in real life.
He was a terrorist (laden) wanted dead or alive. We don't have to allow him to get his gun and shoot at us again before we shoot him.
It's called war or better yet a justified use of deadly force.
Deadly force is justified when great bodily hard or death will result if someone doe not stop them or the belief that if the person is not stopped that they will kill.
He was not a head of state or a leader of a country.
we did not need to chapter him like we did Saddam and have a court trial to convict him.
Unions are not corporations, but they are just as suspceptible to corruption and abuses of power as corporations are. Plus, this is a nonsense statement. Whether a particular liberal likes a particular corporation or not has a lot to do with what that corporation does and how.
So when you ignore this, your statement just becomes a hollow and meaningless propaganda talking point. Actually that describes your whole post.
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defination of corporation: 1. group of people authorized to act as a single entity (legally a person) and recognized as such in law
2. A group of individuals, created by law or under authority of law, having a continuous existence independent of the existences of its members, and powers and liabilities distinct from those of its members.
3. In Fascist Italy, a joint association of employers' and workers' representatives.
defination of union: 1. A club, society, or association formed by people with a common interest or purpose
2. An organization of workers joined to protect their common interests
So Obama is stuck up banker buddies' butts, but at the same time, he wants everyone to have the same amount of money and does not believe in private industry, which "sounds pretty socialistic" to you. The contradictions are immediately obvious.
The entire point I was making is that he is not a true socialist. Again someone lacking in the comprehension dept.
So asking someone to explain the difference between Marxism and Socialism is derailing a thread, when the thread is about Socialists? Asking someone if they read any of Marx's works is derailing? OK. I suggest you look up derailing. While you are at it, look up Socialism and Marxism
I'm just going to assume that you are not going to answer any of the above questions.
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Originally Posted by Evenstar51
A critique of a post is a far cry from a personal attack, nor is it "snarky." The veracity of the OP has everything to do with whether or not the subject is relevant, which is why wise posters add a reliable link or three when they start threads, and posters use them to make a point or add to a discussion. It would be naive to blindly accept every assertion made on a public forum. President Obama is not a socialist, nor are the vast majority of those who voted for him. Let the poster provide a link from a credible source that he is, after he/she explains the difference between Marxism and socialism. How are they different from Communism?
She answered the question of if she read the books or not. She then wanted to make a point that she is well read. Then you went on the attack and derailed the thread. Yes. The question itself was not but the whole however many pages after it are derailing. And so are my responses so I'm not going to address this topic anymore.
I have no idea what the difference is between socialism and Marxism since I don't know much about Marxism. I never claimed to know anything about it nor did I claim anyone was a Marxist so get off me. I'm not accepting any assertion, I am saying I think he is somewhat socialistic based on what I know of socialism...I can think for myself, thanks. I voted for him and I'm sure as heck not a socialist...but the "change" he has done over the last two years has led us down a path toward socialism and many of the people who voted for him are not happy. Then you have those who are to the left of Obama and they are also not happy b/c he's not making is socialist enough.
The OP didn't say anything about Marxism or communism...just socialism. Why does she/he need to answer any of your questions when it's not even applicable to this thread? The people who have asserted that he is a Marxist or communist should qualify it, but the OP itself does not say a word about either.
socialism, communism, progressivism(liberalism) and fascism all COME FROM marxism...all are a FORM OF marxism
This is not true at all. Progressivism and liberalism are not forms of Marxism, neither is fascism. You cannot be a Marxist and be a liberal at the same time, they are fundamentally opposed to one another. You're talking out of your backside.
socialism, communism, progressivism(liberalism) and fascism all COME FROM marxism...all are a FORM OF marxism
The usuals will argue this in their attempt to muddy the waters and shift the focus.
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Again someone lacking in the comprehension dept.
