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[quote=victorianpunk;19093033] First of all, why throw the term "fascist" around so casually? These people are not fascist. I don't see a mass militaristic movement based on corporatism/syndicalism, nationalism and right wing populism. Even the Tea Party idiots are in favor of laissez faire economics.
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If you look at fascism in the Mussolini mold " co operation between corporations and the state " I do not see how you do not see fascism running rampant in this country. And the military industrial complex is alive and well no matter which party is in control. I saw you voted for Obama I would hope it was not his "hope and change " carnival bark that sold you.
If you have not noticed we are in 2 wars and giving 15% air support in Libya, and we are not leaving any time soon.
Also we have bailed the banks and GM and gave targeted tax breaks to another Obama darling GE. HMMM if that is not co operation between corporations and the state I do not know what is
And tell me, what stellar qualifications did Spike present to you to convince you he was qualified? Executive experience - none, business experience - none, military service - none. The fool voted "present" 170 times while an IL State Senator, and you saw fite to vote for him? You voted for him for one reason, and one reason alone - M E L A N I N.
You know this a good question for the OP as a libertarian that hates both parties I hope he answers
Well, you Yanks could always petition the queen to take you back!!!! LOL
There is something to be said about having leadership that is not beholden to political parties or the whims of the mob but can think in the long term and are groomed from birth to lead.
Only it has to have checks and balances and some representative form of government.
If only they actually raised royalty properly, i.e., spent less time at a boarding school learning manners and were dropped off for six months in a sugar plantation in Dominica to taste how the majority the world's people live.
You know this a good question for the OP as a libertarian that hates both parties I hope he answers
I NEVER said I was a libertarian or that I hated both parties. I simple understand that in the current situation (i.e., the massive national debt) is the most pressing issue facing America, with the looming threat of peak oil a close second.
I already answered the question: Obama wasn't a neocon warmonger and is bankrupting America on social programs that at least to some short term good, instead of bankrupting America on endless wars.
That, and I would hate to see my country be one old man's heartbeat away from having an Alaskan with an IQ lower than the crabs caught on "Deadliest Catch" in the White House.
I NEVER said I was a libertarian or that I hated both parties. I simple understand that in the current situation (i.e., the massive national debt) is the most pressing issue facing America, with the looming threat of peak oil a close second.
I already answered the question: Obama wasn't a neocon warmonger and is bankrupting America on social programs that at least to some short term good, instead of bankrupting America on endless wars.
That, and I would hate to see my country be one old man's heartbeat away from having an Alaskan with an IQ lower than the crabs caught on "Deadliest Catch" in the White House.
OOPs my apologies there should have been a apostrophe,I meant myself being Libertarian and that I hate both parties.
As far as Obama not being a neo con I wonder why he has not brought all of our troops home. And how about our involvement in Libya? Have you ever noticed that the {R}s rarely challenge Obama on foreign policy? Except they accuse him of dithering by not taking military action. Like in the cases of the rioting in Iraq,and Egypt.
Myself, I have always been skeptical of democracy and the 2 pathetic parties. I have a thing called principle I will never ever vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Is that basically what you did casting a vote for Obama? I am really lousy at democracy every person I have voted for has lost.
I disagree, democracy or our republic does not suck, what sucks is corruption. Corruption by the wealthy and the corporations and the greed that spawned it. The system would work well if corrupt industry did not influence the nations need to go to fake wars to create sales of weapons, if we spent our money taking care of people here instead of destroying other nations and then building them up. If we spent our time and energy giving everyone a chance instead of polarizing the wealth to the top 1 percent of the nation. Where workers are treated well and given a living wage everyone benefits, the crime rates drop, the need for government assistance drops, corporations do not make quite as much but they are more stable and lead to a more stable economy. No its not democracy it’s the corruption of this process and decisions like People V united that have bastardized our Republic that have done more damage than any foreign nation ever could. We are decaying from within because of greed of the few that is supported by the radical ideas of a few more. If it were not for the bad economy there would not have been a 2010 shift, but as we see there is a counter shift because the right thinks people crave radical right ideas, and its not that at all, people crave change and will vote to try anything. They are seeing what the right represents and they do not like it. I think the right has done more to get Obama re elected than any left organization ever could have.
Good Lord
Do you actually Read what you write 'before' you post or is it that you Really don't mind what others think?
Actually, if you bothered to read you would see that I attacked those who voted for Obama just because he's black.
You voted for him because he is part-black. His running mate is a far-bigger idiot than President Palin (Prospective). You can make all the excuses, but there IS NO OTHER REASON to vote for this epic fail of a POTUS.
There, I just said it. In America, you can attack religion, attack minorities, but the MINUTE you attack democracy, you're labeled insane. Well, let me provide you with a few scenarios before you go calling me the next Hitler.
Imagine a professor of economics, with an IQ of 147, who's studied the economy and understands the problems we're in when it comes to national debt and all that. Now, imagine Jim Bob Mcgee, with an IQ of 98, who spends his free time watching Bass Masters, shooting at jack rabbits and driving his pickup truck while searching for a blood relative to sleep with. Well, guess what?...
...THEY BOTH HAVE EQUAL SAY IN WHO THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WILL BE.
That's the problem with "one person, one vote" that few are willing to admit :so many people in America are idiots, that their votes outnumber the votes of those of us with higher IQs.
I take the redneck as an example, but I see it amongst black folks too: so many of them voted for Obama only because he was black. I'm black myself and I did vote for Obama, so please don't call me a racist SOB for saying the truth. Voting for someone just for the color of his skin is STUPID, and anyone who would do so doesn't deserve the right to vote at all.
Now, think about personal freedoms. In California they passed that "Proposition 8" thing because a bunch of idiots got together and voted on it. No sociologists had any say in it, no experts on culture had any say. It was just religious groups scaring people into believing that if gays had the right to marry than somehow straight marriages would be in trouble and churches would have to agree with it and all kinds of BS.
Or, better yet, how about a REAL democracy, i.e., A LYNCH MOB. Thirty racist whites and one innocent black guy next to a tree. They take it to a vote. The results? Thirty to one in favor of lynching the black guy. Democracy rules, and an innocent man is dead as a result.
Democracy is a bad idea...and the founding fathers thought so too. Benjamin Franklin is quoted as saying "democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the results." Jefferson said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.†Which is why they didn't create a democracy, they created A REPUBLIC.
However, I think that republic needs some serious reforms. First off we can end this whole "ballot initiative" thing. I mean, it didn't start until 1898, long after the founding fathers lived, and has NOTHING to do with the constitution. Honestly, we all know that majority of the unwashed masses are too stupid to understand and make an informed decision on what their voting on anyway. Take that power away from the mob, and put it in the hands of the legislature, who have aides and experts to call on.
Also, we need to reconsider this "one person, one vote" thing. How about we give everyone a standardized IQ test and for every ten points above 100, they get another vote? That way, someone like me (120 IQ) would get more votes than Sarah Palin (-50 IQ)
But really, I don't even think that will be enough. If we are ever to solve this national debt crisis, it will take leaders who are willing to make difficult decisions. Come on, do you really think the unwashed masses will be happy with a President who honestly says "we need to cut defense spending by 1/3 and push the age to receive Social Security up to 70"? Probably not. So, we just clap right along with someone who keeps getting us deeper into debt, whether it's Bush or Obama.
90% of the population are mindless sheep. Sad to say, but it's the honest truth. The winning candidate is the person who can herd the sheep the most effectively. It never has anything to do with who the best candidate is and if you don't believe me, just look at how poorly Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich did in their primaries.
The sad fact is, the American Sheeple are too dumb to make the system work as it stands now. If you don't believe me, just consider how they ACTUALLY HAD TO RESCHEDULE THE STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS SO AS NOT TO INTERRUPT AMERICAN IDOL.
The unwashed mob...the REAL problem with America.
The bold part is what caught my attention. I remember reading a quote by (I think) Jefferson that went something like, "when the people realize they can vote themselves money, democracy no longer exists." ie, They vote themselves money when they vote for the person promising them the most kickbacks. And sad to say, its been like this for quite a long time now.
What do you think will actually be different? They're still going to increase the national debt, they are going to make us stay in Afghanistan and Iraq, they probably will not repeal ObamaCare, and they won't do anything about illegal immigration.
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Originally Posted by MrClose
The ONE thing that could turn this whole mess around is to allow ONLY those that are gainfully employed to vote in the Presidential elections!
It wouldn't be unconstitutional either because there is No Constitutional "Right" to vote in the Presidential elections!
At one time .. only property owners could vote.
The lazy and welfare recipients will Always vote for the politician who promises to reach into MY pocket to fill THEIR pockets!
Ok this is stupid. There are millions umemployed not because we are lazy but due to the economy, advancement of technology and over population. When a million unemployed apply for a McJob I don't think you can say we are all lazy.
Need I remind you that Oprah Wimfries and Gayle King: both highly educated and experienced and professional black pioneers in mass media are not in anyway shape or form similar to a redneck with an IQ of 98. Please. Your commentary on that area is irritatingly myopic.
However, I will say that since the extemporization of the constitution unfettered democracy was never an intent. A constitutional republic was the intent and to have well-informed citizens was the intent considering they wanted to escape the brainwashing clutches of the evil British King at that time. We are supposed to have a constitutional Republic but look at how the checks and balances have been corrupted. It is almost as bad as a pure democracy: two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for dinner.
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
There, I just said it. In America, you can attack religion, attack minorities, but the MINUTE you attack democracy, you're labeled insane. Well, let me provide you with a few scenarios before you go calling me the next Hitler.
Imagine a professor of economics, with an IQ of 147, who's studied the economy and understands the problems we're in when it comes to national debt and all that. Now, imagine Jim Bob Mcgee, with an IQ of 98, who spends his free time watching Bass Masters, shooting at jack rabbits and driving his pickup truck while searching for a blood relative to sleep with. Well, guess what?...
...THEY BOTH HAVE EQUAL SAY IN WHO THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WILL BE.
That's the problem with "one person, one vote" that few are willing to admit :so many people in America are idiots, that their votes outnumber the votes of those of us with higher IQs.
I take the redneck as an example, but I see it amongst black folks too: so many of them voted for Obama only because he was black. I'm black myself and I did vote for Obama, so please don't call me a racist SOB for saying the truth. Voting for someone just for the color of his skin is STUPID, and anyone who would do so doesn't deserve the right to vote at all.
Now, think about personal freedoms. In California they passed that "Proposition 8" thing because a bunch of idiots got together and voted on it. No sociologists had any say in it, no experts on culture had any say. It was just religious groups scaring people into believing that if gays had the right to marry than somehow straight marriages would be in trouble and churches would have to agree with it and all kinds of BS.
Or, better yet, how about a REAL democracy, i.e., A LYNCH MOB. Thirty racist whites and one innocent black guy next to a tree. They take it to a vote. The results? Thirty to one in favor of lynching the black guy. Democracy rules, and an innocent man is dead as a result.
Democracy is a bad idea...and the founding fathers thought so too. Benjamin Franklin is quoted as saying "democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the results." Jefferson said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.” Which is why they didn't create a democracy, they created A REPUBLIC.
However, I think that republic needs some serious reforms. First off we can end this whole "ballot initiative" thing. I mean, it didn't start until 1898, long after the founding fathers lived, and has NOTHING to do with the constitution. Honestly, we all know that majority of the unwashed masses are too stupid to understand and make an informed decision on what their voting on anyway. Take that power away from the mob, and put it in the hands of the legislature, who have aides and experts to call on.
Also, we need to reconsider this "one person, one vote" thing. How about we give everyone a standardized IQ test and for every ten points above 100, they get another vote? That way, someone like me (120 IQ) would get more votes than Sarah Palin (-50 IQ)
But really, I don't even think that will be enough. If we are ever to solve this national debt crisis, it will take leaders who are willing to make difficult decisions. Come on, do you really think the unwashed masses will be happy with a President who honestly says "we need to cut defense spending by 1/3 and push the age to receive Social Security up to 70"? Probably not. So, we just clap right along with someone who keeps getting us deeper into debt, whether it's Bush or Obama.
90% of the population are mindless sheep. Sad to say, but it's the honest truth. The winning candidate is the person who can herd the sheep the most effectively. It never has anything to do with who the best candidate is and if you don't believe me, just look at how poorly Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich did in their primaries.
The sad fact is, the American Sheeple are too dumb to make the system work as it stands now. If you don't believe me, just consider how they ACTUALLY HAD TO RESCHEDULE THE STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS SO AS NOT TO INTERRUPT AMERICAN IDOL.
The unwashed mob...the REAL problem with America.
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