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Old 06-15-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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Hmmm...

What homosexual would WANT to marry someone of the opposite gender?

Yet, you argue that heterosexuals and homosexuals have the same right to marry someone of the opposite gender.

Calvinist has never volunteered his (presumably straight) own children or grandchildren to marry a homosexual, though he believes there is "nothing wrong" with the law because there is no law preventing a gay person from marrying someone of the opposite sex.

He also appears to believe it is "more right" (his own version of morality) for there to exist an infinite number of heterosexual marriages based on lack of love, attraction or mutual interest, than for there to exist same sex marriages based on love, attraction and mutual interest.

Some forms of myopia even glasses can't fix.
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:03 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Of course DOMA violates the equal protection clause.

Consider two legally married couples in Iowa - one a male-male gay couple, one a male-female straight couple. If the man in the straight marriage employs his wife, he does not have to pay unemployment insurance tax of his wife's wages. If one man in the gay marriage employs his husband, he must pay this tax. Why - because of DOMA. DOMA treats married homosexuals differently from married heterosexuals (namely it denies married homosexuals 1100 civil rights). As such, it clearly violates the equal protection clause.

Thanks for repeating the common sense that you always post. I would rep you again if I could.
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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Is that not correct? Why should we legislate according to feelings, attraction, or love? There has never been a precedent for it in the past.
We've been through this 100 times already.

The courts don't buy this argument, the anti-gay marriage lawyers don't even make this argument, why on earth do you think it has any teeth whatsoever?
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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Is that not correct? Why should we legislate according to feelings, attraction, or love? There has never been a precedent for it in the past.
We're not. The law is based on gender, not feelings or attractions. People can marry one gender but not the other. That's gender discrimination. However, there is precedent for marrying the person of your choosing. You just like to ignore it.
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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We're not. The law is based on gender, not feelings or attractions. People can marry one gender but not the other. That's gender discrimination. However, there is precedent for marrying the person of your choosing. You just like to ignore it.
Again...it's NEVER been an issue before the gay rights activists started doing their thing. Why has this great travesty never been mentioned until recently?
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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We've been through this 100 times already.

The courts don't buy this argument, the anti-gay marriage lawyers don't even make this argument, why on earth do you think it has any teeth whatsoever?
Lol 100? Try adding a few more zeros on that number. Calvinist brings this argument up in every single marriage thread, and no matter how many people tell him he is clueless about how the law works, he continues to repeat the claim ad nauseum.

Some people are incapable of being gotten through to.
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Again...it's NEVER been an issue before the gay rights activists started doing their thing. Why has this great travesty never been mentioned until recently?
Because until recently, being gay could get you killed (well, it still does but not as often). Gays stayed predominantly hidden and there wasn't enough support or understanding for them to feel safe to be more open.

Regardless, who cares when the issue presents itself. Interracial marriage didn't become an issue on the national stage until less than 50 years ago. Does that mean the first 150+ years of this nation's history where it was illegal was no big deal?

Women couldn't vote for most of Us history. Why wasn't that travesty mentioned earlier?

Societal change takes time because people like you keep holding it back to stick to so called "tradition".
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Seattle Area
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Again...it's NEVER been an issue before the gay rights activists started doing their thing. Why has this great travesty never been mentioned until recently?
In the real world...the world that conservatives deny exists... things change, people change, society changes...nothing remains static.
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:19 AM
 
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Lol 100? Try adding a few more zeros on that number. Calvinist brings this argument up in every single marriage thread, and no matter how many people tell him he is clueless about how the law works, he continues to repeat the claim ad nauseum.

Some people are incapable of being gotten through to.
I've never seen you or anyone actually give a coherent argument against it. Can you please explain to me how "everyone has the same rights" is somehow unfair?
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Old 06-15-2011, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Again...it's NEVER been an issue before the gay rights activists started doing their thing. Why has this great travesty never been mentioned until recently?
Calvinism has been around an for 1/4 of an eye blink of all human history.
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