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“The first thing they do is to get the public to divest from thinking of what the offender does criminally, to thinking of the offender’s emotional state, to think of him as thinking of his emotional state, [and] to empathize and sympathize,” Reisman said. “You don’t change the nation in one fell swoop; you have to change it by conditioning. The aim is to get them [pedophiles] out of prison.”
Yeah who cares about the victims. What about the poor offender's. We have to empathize with them. I say just kill em and be done with it. Not in the minds of these nutjobs. Hell Obama's school czar was a supporter of NAMBLA. How long until being a pedophile becomes the norm in this society and if you don't agree you must be racist? Normalizing Pedophilia | Conference | Mental Illness | The Daily Caller
Here's some background info on Judith Reisman:
A former singer and songwriter on the old "Captain Kangaroo" children's show, Reisman remade herself into a researcher (her doctorate is in communications, not any scientific discipline) and a self-proclaimed expert on pornography and anything that makes Kinsey look bad. After the Kinsey Institute criticized Reisman's 1990 Kinsey-bashing book -- described by one scholarly reviewer as "an inflated political pamphlet" filled with "innuendo, distortion, and selective representation of decontextualized 'facts'" -- Reisman sued the Kinsey Institute, claiming that it was trying to suppress publicity about her book.
Reisman was represented by the Rutherford Institute, a conservative legal organization best known for suing President Clinton on behalf of Paula Jones. The suit was eventually thrown out of court.
In 1984, a Reagan Justice Department official named Alfred Regnery -- better known as the operator of the conservative Regnery publishing house -- awarded Reisman a federal grant of more than $784,000 to study the content of 30 years of Playboy magazines. Her resulting research was dismissed as "paranoid, pseudoscientific hyperbole," and even Regnery regretted awarding her the grant.
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Even the consrvative-leaning Canadian newspaper the National Post wrote in a Dec. 11, 2004, editorial: "There is little reason to take Dr. Reisman seriously".
Your example of the female teacher and underage students is not Pedophilia.
Probably not even Hebophilia, but possibly Ephebophilia (which would probably include a lot of adult heterosexual men if all the school-girl themed porn is anything to go by.)
There are female child sexual abusers. However they are not that common. As for female Pedophiles? Rather rare.
No, that is incorrect they are still pedophiles. Whatever kind of pie in the sky subcategory or excuse you would like to use to rationalize their behavior is irrelevant in this instance.... Pedophiles in general are rare compared to the general population. What does that have to do with anything? They are still pedophiles who are attracted to adolescents and teens just like the rest.
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In MANY cases, these perpetrators enter into plea bargains due to the complexities of prosecuting these cases .... and it is not uncommon for sentencing to be suspended .... 60 days .... and often 3-6 years for even aggravated sexual assult on children. So, great ... the perp gets 60 days to 6 years, is then back out on the street, and over 90% are charged again within 2 years of release for committing additional assaults.
In my native state, even third degree rape (called criminal sexual conduct), which subsumes sexual relations with a consenting person between ages 13-15, will normally yield a sentence of 7-15 years.
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When you look closely at Law Enforcement statistics, the typical child molester has over 260 incidents of sexual abuse, and over 100 victims in their lifetime, with most of the assaults never reported.
A statement as absurd as that is conclusive evidence that you've never once "looked closely at law enforcement statistics." Unless there is a great new trend for sexual offenders to unburden their conscience and sexual histories on the nearest cop, "law enforcement" is not in any position to collect any such statistics.
No, that is incorrect they are still pedophiles. Whatever kind of pie in the sky subcategory or excuse you would like to use to rationalize their behavior is irrelevant in this instance....
However anyone evaluates their behavior, "pedophilia" refers to a persistent, pathological attraction to preadolescent children. That's what the word means.
The fact that you think there's a push in any meaningful way, aside from a tiny group who follow Bratman's thinking, to include it in DSM pretty much tells what I need to know. Even the link you provided said this was highly unlikely. There are fringe wackadoodles in EVERY profession. They don't speak for the whole.
Interestingly, I was going to say the same things about you as you did about me. I have no hope of convincing you that what you consider being informed smacks of conspiracy theory. I will go so far as to say, I think you probably believe what you say. I disagree with you, not because I recite what I'm told like a child (but thanks for the assumption), but because I haven't seen any evidence you've provided that supports what you're saying above any other interpretation. It would take us very far afield from the thread topic, but I actually am open to new information that I can evaluate.
I'm fine with our agreeing to disagree. You're right that you won't convince me that your take on medicine and psychiatry is accurate, and I'm sure I won't convince you. I actually think some of your criticisms are valid. As with most things, the truth of the matter probably lies somewhere in between. It has been interesting, though.
Well, you haven't defined your role in the world of psychiatry, so my critical comments are not directed at you .... you may indeed be a well meaning councilor/therapist for whom some people may derive some benefit from discussing their psychological stresses with. There certainly seems to be a need for such service for those struggling with life issues.
Yet, my comments about "psychiatry" as a practice of medicine have thus far been mild and reserved in order to foster dialog .... but "Conspiracy Theory"? No, no ... the truth is beyond anything remotely assignable to "theory'. The documented record is all too clear.
The reality is, if using terms like Snake Oil to define psychiatry seems unfair or overly harsh, it would only be unfair to Snake oil Salesmen everywhere, as they are merely selling useless remedies, whereas psychiatry has gone well beyond that, to the point of genocidal madness. Electroshock therapy .... lobotomy by ice pick through the eye sockets of patients .... drilling holes in people's heads for the same purpose of destroying brain tissue ... to the use of lobotomizing chemical compounds turning human beings into drooling zombies, with death a welcome relief. And that's just a starting point ... with a more insidious background and agenda at the heart of it all. So, I've indeed been overly generous and kind thus far.
It's no real mystery why psychiatry has failed to discover a viable therapy for sex offenders ... as this branch of pseudo-medical-science has not cured a single mental illness to date. The reality is, much of what is alleged to be forms of mental illness as defined by the drafters of the DSM is purely contrived nonsense, for the sole purpose of expanding psychiatry's customer base, and increasing pharmaceutical sales.
The worst part of this is that there is no rational way to attribute this to merely misguided ignorance, but in fact represents willful fraud that is well understood to be exactly that by the majority within the psychiatric profession. The vast majority within the profession stutter and stammer when confronted with simple questions like what methods and tests are used to diagnose "Chemical Imbalance" .... or "Bi-Polar" or "BPD" because they know the answer is "nothing". There are no tests .... no clinically or scientifically founded processes that identify these "ailments". It's all based on collective opinion only ... based on the politics of profit, not medical science.
The bottom line here is that the psychiatric establishment have labeled every conceivable manifestation of human behavior as a symptom of mental illness, and according to their DSM, there is no such thing as an asymptomatic human being .... each and every one of us are "mentally ill" as defined by one or more of the multitude of "ailments" created by these hucksters, with the DSM getting larger and larger with each new version.
As for psychiatry saving children from child predators .... fat chance. The real question is who is going to save the children from psychiatry's predatory practices of pharmacological child abuse, for which the ultimate goal is no child left un-medicated.
There are various forms of pedophilia. Some are more about power, similar to rape among adults. Others are more about sexuality, which is far more complex.
One of the taboo topics is having thoughts of an erotic nature when looking at a minor, as if the human mind had a switch that can simply be activated on a person's 18th birthday. I guess that is very unrealistic. Some girls already look attractive to boys and men at a fairly young age, like 10 or 12. Most people know that minors are taboo in terms of any sexual acts, but a few seem to be too weak, stupid, or whatever.
In my native state, even third degree rape (called criminal sexual conduct), which subsumes sexual relations with a consenting person between ages 13-15, will normally yield a sentence of 7-15 years.
Every jurisdiction is different, and I can show you cases of suspended sentences, as well as sentencing that resulted in 60 days in jail. All you need to do is google "lenient sentencing for child molesters" and you'll have a lot of reading to do .... but of course, you're not interested in the truth ... your agenda is quite clear.
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A statement as absurd as that is conclusive evidence that you've never once "looked closely at law enforcement statistics." Unless there is a great new trend for sexual offenders to unburden their conscience and sexual histories on the nearest cop, "law enforcement" is not in any position to collect any such statistics.
The FBI has a large database of such statistics dealing with heinous crimes.
Furthermore, the known statistics are much lower than actual, given the low report rate of such crimes that is estimated at 1-10%. Molestation of boys is significantly under reported in comparison to girls.
The 260 incident rate over a molester's lifetime and the 100 victims? Well, that was a conservative source, this source linked below shows that figure to be 280 instead of 260 ... in the case of boys ... 150 victims per homosexual child molester! The typical child molester who molests girls will commit 117 acts of crime in their lifetime .... as dreadful as that number is, it's less than half of the number for the creeps who attack little boys. And no one actually knows the REAL numbers, which are obviously way worse than those reported.
The only thing absurd here is your inexplicable attempts to cover up and obfuscate this dastardly attack on children. Absurd and obscene. The real question is why? Why would you? Because you're a homosexual liberal? Because the truth paints homosexuals in a bad light? Why? Explain!
Every jurisdiction is different, and I can show you cases of suspended sentences, as well as sentencing that resulted in 60 days in jail. All you need to do is google "lenient sentencing for child molesters" and you'll have a lot of reading to do .... but of course, you're not interested in the truth ... your agenda is quite clear.
Any state with statutory sentencing guidelines like Michigan has will be pretty much on the same page when it comes to sex crimes.
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The FBI has a large database of such statistics dealing with heinous crimes.
Furthermore, the known statistics are much lower than actual, given the low report rate of such crimes that is estimated at 1-10%. Molestation of boys is significantly under reported in comparison to girls.
Yeah, that's a law enforcement website. And I'm Deputy Dawg.
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The only thing absurd here is your inexplicable attempts to cover up and obfuscate this dastardly attack on children. Absurd and obscene. The real question is why? Why would you? Because you're a homosexual liberal? Because the truth paints homosexuals in a bad light? Why? Explain!
If you ever stumbled across the truth, you'd dust yourself off and go on as if you hadn't noticed.
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I have no hope of convincing you that what you consider being informed smacks of conspiracy theory. I will go so far as to say, I think you probably believe what you say. I disagree with you, not because I recite what I'm told like a child (but thanks for the assumption), but because I haven't seen any evidence you've provided that supports what you're saying above any other interpretation. It would take us very far afield from the thread topic, but I actually am open to new information that I can evaluate.
