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Old 08-24-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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Reading opens one to new & different experiences - both positive & negative.
Experiences that in that person's REAL LIFE they will likely never experience.
It allows for choice - a word that is anathema to some unfortunately.

And another point - when I was a kid, my mother did not want me to read certain books. I may have listened to her then, but it only made me MORE curious. Isn't that the way teenagers are by nature - curious? And when their parents say NO, aren''t they even More likely to want to experience what the NO was all about? So if there's a book sitting in a library with thousands of other books, or even among dozens of other books on a recommended reading list, and the parent says OH NO - YOU CAN'T READ THIS - isn't that kid now going to be even more likely to read that book? It's the nature of the beast.

Or do you prefer the Bradbury way - BURN any book that has a passage you disagree with?

Lastly, I think I have read in this thread the most inane comment I have read on C-D: that material read in a book is akin to murder! Incredible!
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:49 AM
 
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Weak effort at deflection. We are not talking about books that mention "gayness." Reread the thread title and try reading the link. The books deal with orgies and sexual relations between adults and children. don't care if a pedophile feels "ashamed," and I don't feel the need to provide books for him/her.

No. They don't. Try reading a review of the books.


Sheesh. You'll believe anything, anything at all, if you think you can use it on your anti-gay "smear and fear" campaign.
I have read reviews of the books and I have found confirmation of numerous reader reviews that describe, "numerous sex scenes," disturbing scenes of "adult & child" sex, a protaganist who sleeps with complete strangers, "almost porn" with graphic titilating sex scenes, one-night sex scenes, "too many suicides" and "cheap plot thrills of sex and death" as well as "orgies."

I still don't understand why so many posters are defending this? Do you really want children as young as ten, gay or straight, reading this?

This is NOT an anti-gay thread. This is a thread about inappropriate books being part of a school curriculum and how this is a growing trend of sexualizing our children at younger and younger ages. There are inappropriate books that deal with pornographically depicted heterosexual relations in the school libraries as well. One of the books mentioned in this thread talks of non-gender specific "orgies." This too, is totally unacceptable to me in the school library. Why do so many focus on the gay aspect while vehemently defending these books. Why do gay kids need to read this?
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:55 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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I have read reviews of the books and I have found confirmation of numerous reader reviews that describe, "numerous sex scenes," disturbing scenes of "adult & child" sex, a protaganist who sleeps with complete strangers, "almost porn" with graphic titilating sex scenes, one-night sex scenes, "too many suicides" and "cheap plot thrills of sex and death" as well as "orgies."

I still don't understand why so many posters are defending this? Do you really want children as young as ten, gay or straight, reading this?

This is NOT an anti-gay thread. This is a thread about inappropriate books being part of a school curriculum and how this is a growing trend of sexualizing our children at younger and younger ages. There are inappropriate books that deal with pornographically depicted heterosexual relations in the school libraries as well. One of the books mentioned in this thread talks of non-gender specific "orgies." This too, is totally unacceptable to me in the school library. Why do so many focus on the gay aspect while vehemently defending these books. Why do gay kids need to read this?
We should let our children be children. 10 year-olds need to be kids. 'Sex education' in schools has been a dismal failure. I don't need anyone else to teach my kids and grand kids about sex! Children are having babies younger and younger. We have 30 year old grandmothers. Illigitimacy rates are skyrocketing!! Adults can't master birth control, how can children????????
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Why do so many focus on the gay aspect while vehemently defending these books.
Perhaps the thread title has something to do with this?
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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I have read reviews of the books and I have found confirmation of numerous reader reviews that describe, "numerous sex scenes," disturbing scenes of "adult & child" sex, a protaganist who sleeps with complete strangers, "almost porn" with graphic titilating sex scenes, one-night sex scenes, "too many suicides" and "cheap plot thrills of sex and death" as well as "orgies."

I still don't understand why so many posters are defending this? Do you really want children as young as ten, gay or straight, reading this?

This is NOT an anti-gay thread. This is a thread about inappropriate books being part of a school curriculum and how this is a growing trend of sexualizing our children at younger and younger ages. There are inappropriate books that deal with pornographically depicted heterosexual relations in the school libraries as well. One of the books mentioned in this thread talks of non-gender specific "orgies." This too, is totally unacceptable to me in the school library. Why do so many focus on the gay aspect while vehemently defending these books. Why do gay kids need to read this?


HUH? You ask WHY the focus on GAY? Look at the title YOU gave to this thread? You didn't say "Sex & Orgy" - you wrote "LESBIAN SEX, GAY ORGY.

And then one of the forst responses agreeing with you said this was apart of the Gay Agenda.

So is it any wonder there is a focus on Gay? You can't see this?
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:00 AM
 
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But not the actual reviews of the books in question, which show the article to be complete hogwash. What's up with that?
Many reader reviews on Amazon confirm the content of the books.

orgies

disturbing adult/child sex

one night stands

almost pornographic

sex with complete strangers

titilating descriptions

inappropriate for kids

numerous sex scenes

too many suicides

cheap plot thrills of sex and death

Some reader reviews even worry that kids would be drawn to act out what is so graphically and enticingly depicted in certain sections of the book.
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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Perhaps the thread title has something to do with this?
That was the title of the article being linked. Posters here have defended such "literature" saying gay students need something to read. If I were the parent of a gay teen, I would be angry that this is what is being offered to my child, instead of defending it. I would be focused on the inappropriate sex being modeled for my child in books at school. Just sayin...
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:11 AM
 
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I have read reviews of the books and I have found confirmation of numerous reader reviews that describe, "numerous sex scenes," disturbing scenes of "adult & child" sex, a protaganist who sleeps with complete strangers, "almost porn" with graphic titilating sex scenes, one-night sex scenes, "too many suicides" and "cheap plot thrills of sex and death" as well as "orgies."

I still don't understand why so many posters are defending this? Do you really want children as young as ten, gay or straight, reading this?

This is NOT an anti-gay thread. This is a thread about inappropriate books being part of a school curriculum and how this is a growing trend of sexualizing our children at younger and younger ages. There are inappropriate books that deal with pornographically depicted heterosexual relations in the school libraries as well. One of the books mentioned in this thread talks of non-gender specific "orgies." This too, is totally unacceptable to me in the school library. Why do so many focus on the gay aspect while vehemently defending these books. Why do gay kids need to read this?
If it's not an anti-gay thread, why haven't you mentioned books like Beloved and Lolita that depict (and it could be argued, normalize) pedophilia and child rape?
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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That was the title of the article being linked. Posters here have defended such "literature" saying gay students need something to read. If I were the parent of a gay teen, I would be angry that this is what is being offered to my child, instead of defending it. I would be focused on the inappropriate sex being modeled for my child in books at school. Just sayin...
I disagree with labeling children as homosexual and believe there are way too many well-meaning adults who do this, which plays in to the hands of the not so well meaning adults who prey upon them.

Sexual liberation itself is a misnomer as it alludes to the idea that sex is a free, safe past-time with no accountability, responsibility or potentially harmful consequences.
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Old 08-24-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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This is NOT an anti-gay thread.
Yeah, and I'm the Queen of Mars.
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