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Old 08-28-2011, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Anyone who believes that the Republicans of 1964 are the same philosophically as the Republicans of the 1990's and the 2000's or that the Democrats of 1964 are the same as the Democrats of the 1990's and 2000's is either incredibly misinformed or wilfully twisting the truth and ignoring the Republican Party's Southern Strategy that originated in the late 1960's.

A quote from Kevin Phillips, an advisor to Richard Nixon, during a 1970 interview with the New York Times:
OMG when will it end. Liberals speak from both sides of their mouths, play both sides of the fence, and what Clinton said; "must take a side, not merely stand between the sides or on the sidelines."

Liberals take credit for EVERYTHING and if a Repuplican ever managed to do anything (prior to 1989) he wasn't a "Republican", he was a liberal because Republicans back then were really liberals making anything they did liberal.

Why not just say that Reagan was actually a Democrat. Isn't it weird how they typo'd history. All those Republicans who did good things in the past aren't like the Republicans of today, so they don't count as Republicans.

So many idiots trade the same lies until every lie becomes their truth. I can't believe how many scarecrows (see WoO) there are in this place.
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Old 08-28-2011, 06:13 AM
 
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REALLY? The Tea Party, by refusing to raise the debt limit to borrow more money to pay for the things that congress already purchased, believes that's how one pays ones bills?

I'll just have to tell Visa, Mastercard and American Express that I refuse to pay my credit card payments for goods and services that I already purchased because I'm trying to be fiscally responsible.

I'd have a lot more respect for the tea party if their congressmen and senators fought their fiscal battles hardest when the budgets were being crafted and not when the bills for those budgets came due.
YOU FAILED ACCOUNTING because raising the debt limit does not mean you are refusing to pay for goods and services you already purchased, it means you arent going to purchase anymore until you can pay what you already have
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Old 08-28-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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YOU FAILED ACCOUNTING because raising the debt limit does not mean you are refusing to pay for goods and services you already purchased, it means you arent going to purchase anymore until you can pay what you already have
I think that little jewel of a statement shows just how far off your understanding really is.

Heck, you claim to be a businessman...don't you solicit quotes, sign contracts, issue purchase orders and then pay the accounts payable AFTER the goods are delivered and the services rendered? Most vendors gladly accept cash up to 30 days after invoice without complaint. It's when the invoices go unpaid after 30 days when the vendors start calling and its after 90 days when the vendors start collection proceedings.

Do you think (aside from entitlements) that the government does it any differently?

How did you think the Federal Government was paying it's bills this summer? Treasury was stretching out it's payment schedules and constantly shifting funds around until it couldn't stretch any farther.

I'll say it one more time...the time to fight deficits is during the budget drafting process, not AFTER the budgets have been passed into law. Do you have a problem with that statement?
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Old 08-28-2011, 07:29 AM
 
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OMG when will it end. Liberals speak from both sides of their mouths, play both sides of the fence, and what Clinton said; "must take a side, not merely stand between the sides or on the sidelines."

Liberals take credit for EVERYTHING and if a Repuplican ever managed to do anything (prior to 1989) he wasn't a "Republican", he was a liberal because Republicans back then were really liberals making anything they did liberal.

Why not just say that Reagan was actually a Democrat. Isn't it weird how they typo'd history. All those Republicans who did good things in the past aren't like the Republicans of today, so they don't count as Republicans.

So many idiots trade the same lies until every lie becomes their truth. I can't believe how many scarecrows (see WoO) there are in this place.
It's clear that you don't have a good grasp of history.
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Old 08-28-2011, 07:30 AM
 
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OMG when will it end. Liberals speak from both sides of their mouths, play both sides of the fence, and what Clinton said; "must take a side, not merely stand between the sides or on the sidelines."

Liberals take credit for EVERYTHING and if a Repuplican ever managed to do anything (prior to 1989) he wasn't a "Republican", he was a liberal because Republicans back then were really liberals making anything they did liberal.

Why not just say that Reagan was actually a Democrat. Isn't it weird how they typo'd history. All those Republicans who did good things in the past aren't like the Republicans of today, so they don't count as Republicans.

So many idiots trade the same lies until every lie becomes their truth. I can't believe how many scarecrows (see WoO) there are in this place.
Stevie, the simple historical fact is that up until the late 1970's the Republican Party actaully had an active social liberal branch.

It's also true that the Southern Conservatives, who now form the base of the Republican party, were a large and influential conservative wing of the Democratic party.

It all changed with the passage of civil right and with the recognition by certain Republican party strategists that this disaffected group of Southern Conservatives were the Republicans best hope for expansion.
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Old 08-28-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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SS and Medicare were/are funded through 2040.

It's not our fault our "elected officials" raided it and replaced the dollars with IOUs (well it is technically, we can always vote out these treasonous douchebags).

As for #3, see my previous post. GOP of then is not the GOP of today, same thing with Dems. MLK was a Republican but those on the far right would call them (economically) a socialist today.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here ..... but the statement SS and Medicare were/are funded through 2040 is a real head scratcher. Given 14+ Trillion national debt, and a Trillion budget deficit .... NOTHING IS FUNDED even this year, let alone funded to 2040. If you have to borrow a Trillion just to pay the bills this year, you haven't got a single item "funded".
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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The labels of Democrat and Republican ... Conservative and Liberal have shifted and twisted so much over the years, it's absurd to even compare the labels from an historic perspective with today's versions.

Thomas Jefferson was a classical liberal, and there is virtually nothing about the current so-called "Liberal" platform which I believe Jefferson would agree with.

Today's "Liberal" should really be referred to as "Progressives" (Communists in disguise), because that is precisely what they are, even though most of these self anointed "geniuses" don't even know it.

So filled with "delusions of grandeur", they truly believe that the sun rises and sets by their hand, and that civilization would be lost without them. The truth however, is the exact opposite. The experiment in true liberty called "The United States of America" held great promise, but the glory of that ideal was stolen by those embracing modern liberalism, effectively ended almost 100 years ago by the progressive-democrat Woodrow Wilson. For it was Wilson who handed our sovereignty to the international Gangsters with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, along with the creation of the income tax ... the vehicle required for the bankers to rob the people blind.

Wilson literally dismantled everything accomplished before him .... the Declaration of Independence .... The US Constitution .... and the foundation of Liberty, in one fell swoop.

FDR then came along (another progressive-communist) and was instrumental in reinforcing the stranglehold of the FED, designing the structures for which the nation would never be able to escape the clutches of the banker gangsters .... his New Deal .... his deceit and treasonous actions leading up to US involvement in WW II ..... Roosevelt inflicted the fatal blows to the US Republic (which we are now experiencing the full effects), while the progressive-liberal owned media and institutions of education have continued, decade after decade, to paint this scumbag traitor a savior and hero.

Modern Liberals have become the most inane, self destructive, anti-liberty group of humans ever to breathe air ..... every policy ... every choice is one of self destruction. Defying the laws of mathematics, a modern day liberal can be presented with 3 choices .... one good, one fairly good, and one disastrously bad .... and they will pick the disaster every time, without fail.

And for this, they consider themselves intellectual giants.
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Old 08-28-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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The labels of Democrat and Republican ... Conservative and Liberal have shifted and twisted so much over the years, it's absurd to even compare the labels from an historic perspective with today's versions.

Thomas Jefferson was a classical liberal, and there is virtually nothing about the current so-called "Liberal" platform which I believe Jefferson would agree with.

Today's "Liberal" should really be referred to as "Progressives" (Communists in disguise), because that is precisely what they are, even though most of these self anointed "geniuses" don't even know it.

So filled with "delusions of grandeur", they truly believe that the sun rises and sets by their hand, and that civilization would be lost without them. The truth however, is the exact opposite. The experiment in true liberty called "The United States of America" held great promise, but the glory of that ideal was stolen by those embracing modern liberalism, effectively ended almost 100 years ago by the progressive-democrat Woodrow Wilson. For it was Wilson who handed our sovereignty to the international Gangsters with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, along with the creation of the income tax ... the vehicle required for the bankers to rob the people blind.

Wilson literally dismantled everything accomplished before him .... the Declaration of Independence .... The US Constitution .... and the foundation of Liberty, in one fell swoop.

FDR then came along (another progressive-communist) and was instrumental in reinforcing the stranglehold of the FED, designing the structures for which the nation would never be able to escape the clutches of the banker gangsters .... his New Deal .... his deceit and treasonous actions leading up to US involvement in WW II ..... Roosevelt inflicted the fatal blows to the US Republic (which we are now experiencing the full effects), while the progressive-liberal owned media and institutions of education have continued, decade after decade, to paint this scumbag traitor a savior and hero.

Modern Liberals have become the most inane, self destructive, anti-liberty group of humans ever to breathe air ..... every policy ... every choice is one of self destruction. Defying the laws of mathematics, a modern day liberal can be presented with 3 choices .... one good, one fairly good, and one disastrously bad .... and they will pick the disaster every time, without fail.

And for this, they consider themselves intellectual giants.
LOL, you have no idea how accurate this post is...
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Old 08-28-2011, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The labels of Democrat and Republican ... Conservative and Liberal have shifted and twisted so much over the years, it's absurd to even compare the labels from an historic perspective with today's versions.

Thomas Jefferson was a classical liberal, and there is virtually nothing about the current so-called "Liberal" platform which I believe Jefferson would agree with.

Today's "Liberal" should really be referred to as "Progressives" (Communists in disguise), because that is precisely what they are, even though most of these self anointed "geniuses" don't even know it.

So filled with "delusions of grandeur", they truly believe that the sun rises and sets by their hand, and that civilization would be lost without them. The truth however, is the exact opposite. The experiment in true liberty called "The United States of America" held great promise, but the glory of that ideal was stolen by those embracing modern liberalism, effectively ended almost 100 years ago by the progressive-democrat Woodrow Wilson. For it was Wilson who handed our sovereignty to the international Gangsters with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, along with the creation of the income tax ... the vehicle required for the bankers to rob the people blind.

Wilson literally dismantled everything accomplished before him .... the Declaration of Independence .... The US Constitution .... and the foundation of Liberty, in one fell swoop.

FDR then came along (another progressive-communist) and was instrumental in reinforcing the stranglehold of the FED, designing the structures for which the nation would never be able to escape the clutches of the banker gangsters .... his New Deal .... his deceit and treasonous actions leading up to US involvement in WW II ..... Roosevelt inflicted the fatal blows to the US Republic (which we are now experiencing the full effects), while the progressive-liberal owned media and institutions of education have continued, decade after decade, to paint this scumbag traitor a savior and hero.

Modern Liberals have become the most inane, self destructive, anti-liberty group of humans ever to breathe air ..... every policy ... every choice is one of self destruction. Defying the laws of mathematics, a modern day liberal can be presented with 3 choices .... one good, one fairly good, and one disastrously bad .... and they will pick the disaster every time, without fail.

And for this, they consider themselves intellectual giants.
Magnificent post!

I'd add that anyone who disagrees with the progressives logic and ideologies are labeled simple minded, uneducated and do not possess the ability to grasp their concepts. This one size fits all ad hominem argument is used to counter any reason or logic. This allows them to say things like; "there's plenty of money", "conservatives are racists", "Obama isn't liberal enough", and get away with it. This is why they can say everyone loves the health care reform bill, when 70% of Americans hate it.

I believe that traditional social liberals and fiscal conservatives are just as they've been for decades. It's the line (which defines the middle) that has been slowly and methodically moved further to the left. I can't imagine what the US will look like when they're done with it, but the last few years should give us a clue. Are they intellectual giants... or just logic challenged ideological misfits?

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Old 08-28-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Between Seattle and Portland
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Default Do You Know How HARD It Is To Be A Liberal???

(Note: Not for the sense-of-humor-impaired...)

Roy Zimmerman’s “To Be a Liberal”


On my way in here tonight
I bruised my nose hugging a tree.
I was late ‘cause I had to stop by on my way in San Quentin
to set a criminal free.
And I ran out on seven-grain bee-pollen macrobiotic organic sustainable medical marijuana
for my jerky knee.

Do you know how hard it is
to be a liberal?
Well, do ya?

I had to learn to speak French, Spanish, Hindi, and dolphin
just so I could relate.
I’m exhausted from taxing and spending,
and controlling the media, and hiding my agenda,
and ruling San Francisco as a separatist nation-state.

And in yoga today, I got bent out of shape
‘cause the guy doing bow-pulling pulls next to me was intolerant
which I hate!

Do you know how hard it is
to be a liberal?
Well, do ya?

Constantly feeding the hungry
and bleeding my heart
and exceeding my budget
and needing approval
and reading The Nation
and leading a sing-along — EVERYBODY!
(No wait, that was just an impulse. Sorry.)

I was shootin’ hoops with some brothas
when I sprained my ba-donka-donk
and ya know that ain’t chill.

I saved an endangered snail-darter
from being eaten by an endangered spotted owl
which I saved from being eaten by an endangered snow-leopard
which I saved from being shot by a poacher
who I had to kill — (with kindness. It took a while.)

And I hit a speed bump and I spilled my chi-latte all over the hemp-covered seats of my Prius and the speed-bump turned out to be a homeless Native American so I apologized and gave him some land, I stomped out his cigarette and took away his gun and shot myself in the nuts on my way to my frivolous lawsuit for sexual harassment where I was suing myself ‘cause I masturbated — against my will!

Do you know how hard it is
to be me?
Do you know how hard it is
just to be a knee-jerk liberal?

What I wouldn’t give
to be a circle-jerk conservative!

http://potomac9499.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/roy-zimmermans-to-be-a-liberal/
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