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i am more concerned with what happens to the united states when this motion comes up at the UN. the saudis have told us that they do not want us to veto palestine, and obama seems committed to doing just that. they posted an editorial on the changes that might come if he does.:
Veto a State, Lose an Ally
Prince Turki Al-Faisal (Photo: SBRIS)
The United States must support the Palestinian bid for statehood at the United Nations this month or risk losing the little credibility it has in the Arab world. If it does not, American influence will decline further, Israeli security will be undermined and Iran will be empowered, increasing the chances of another war in the region.
Moreover, Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval, the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims, who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy. Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States, including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so. The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
The Palestinian people deserve statehood and all that it entails: official recognition, endorsement by international organizations, the ability to deal with Israel on more equal footing and the opportunity to live in peace and security.
it is sobering to think about an altered relationship with our ally, saudi arabia, and the mideast in general.
Norway is no longer assisiting in the bailout of Greece...
Norway is going to vote for Palestine statehood...
Norway pulled out of the Libya bombings on Aug 31st...
Ahh.. the cycle is complete. You went back to the original outragous claims which you present as the "evidence". You're delusional. My last post in this matter. Enjoy your world of unsubstantiated paranoia. /tinfoil
Ahh.. the cycle is complete. You went back to the original outragous claims which you present as the "evidence". You're delusional. My last post in this matter. Enjoy your world of unsubstantiated paranoia. /tinfoil
The concerns of the USA take a back seat to Israel for our leaders. So this isn't surprising. At any rate I think kowtowing to these Muslims is the worse alternative so I'm indifferent about this veto.
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Originally Posted by floridasandy
i am more concerned with what happens to the united states when this motion comes up at the UN. the saudis have told us that they do not want us to veto palestine, and obama seems committed to doing just that. they posted an editorial on the changes that might come if he does.:
Veto a State, Lose an Ally
Prince Turki Al-Faisal (Photo: SBRIS)
The United States must support the Palestinian bid for statehood at the United Nations this month or risk losing the little credibility it has in the Arab world. If it does not, American influence will decline further, Israeli security will be undermined and Iran will be empowered, increasing the chances of another war in the region.
Moreover, Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval, the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims, who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy. Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States, including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so. The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
The Palestinian people deserve statehood and all that it entails: official recognition, endorsement by international organizations, the ability to deal with Israel on more equal footing and the opportunity to live in peace and security.
it is sobering to think about an altered relationship with our ally, saudi arabia, and the mideast in general.
it certainly drags the US into an uncomfortable position. either
lose the friendship of israel.
lose the friendship of saudi arabia and an important oil/energy connection.
we should have stayed out of it in the first place and now we have a problem. it certainly is likely to affect the price of fuel in this country if saudi arabia turns further away from the US, as they seem to be doing. i think this is what ron paul meant by the consequences of intervention in the foreign policies of other countries.
If we lose the friendship of Saudi Arabia there is a good chance the U.S.will react as they have through out the world be it Latin America or Middle East with overthrowing the govenment, the U.S. corporations are only friendly towards those that act as puppets.
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