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The people who were fighting against the minimum wage told anyone who would listen there would be huge layoffs of minimum waged workers after the rate went up and economic crisis would result. Did this happen?
Maybe. The economy lost 4,000 jobs in August, when people were predicting that we'd gain 100,000 jobs that month. I'm not saying there is any connection between that and the minimum wage rising, though. But I would think that a metric like "Total number of jobs" would be heavily influenced by the lower-paying jobs.
The monthly jobs figures for August, released on Friday September 7th, were worse, far worse, than anyone expected. The economy lost 4000 jobs last month, the first monthly loss of jobs since August 2003. Already jittery financial markets headed down. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell almost 250 points or 1.87%. The dollar sank at the prospect of weaker economy and lower interest rates.
Here's an article that just got posted about the rise in unemployment.. (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ECONOMY?SITE=WVEC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CT IME=2007-09-13-08-41-57 - broken link)
I understand economics thanks.. and what you're saying is ridiculous.. there's states that already pay 8 dollars per hour as minimum wage... and it hasn't effected their business or the local economy as negatively as people are saying it will.. so if people in seattle working at burger world are making 8 bucks per hour.. why can't people in Idaho?
I will find an article discussing this issue on the idaho/washington border.. corporate businesses flocked to idaho side because they could pay crap wages.. and they interviewed local small business owners in washington and found some surprising results.. I'm in NO way saying we should cut poor people a cheque....The problem is this issue has gone UN-checked for so long.. that you're right.. it might take some adjustments.. but it needs to happen... and there is evidence that its not as bad as you people want to make it.. or how bad you heard it would be from your teachers or red state friends... Its a lie..
when CEO's are making millions of dollars per year.. I'm sure they can take the paycut to ensure their employees are making 3 more bucks per hour.. give me a f-ing break... I understand economics my friend.. and what you are implying will not happen.. thats what they want you to think.. just another scare tactic... "OH the economy will crash.. prices will skyrocket.. rah rah rah" its a load of $hit... and there are plenty of states that show that it is... by already inacting higher wages long before the fed's mandated it
I don't mean to sound jumpy or angry.. I've just seen it first hand.. and I am not ignorant on economics.. I happen to have a degree in business management.. so I get the concepts.. but you have to look at the size of the pool its effecting.. and our market is BIG and dynamic.. MUCH more than just simple economics.. especially considering 80 percent of resources and wealth are owned and controlled by 20 percent of the population... these people don't need any special economists favours... its all lies
there is no evidence in this case showing small businesses being effected by the rise..
and there is no evidence to support unemployment going up in relation to idaho...
and many have been creative in cutting costs to make up for the difference without raising prices. See.. prices have been going up for the last decade all while the wages haven't.. so somewhere someone has been making marginally ALOT more money over this time period.. because even if you look at operating costs... wages are STILL far below in respects to the percentages a decade ago.. ..
You are putting a lot of words in my mouth about what I'm "suggesting".
In fact, I wrote earlier about supporting an increase in the federal minimum raise so indeed you need to calm down and READ.
So, you pay EVERYONE a "living wage" for doing jobs that take no training...and the companies can just charge more to make it up. So, the poorest people make more....only to turn around and pay it back in the form of higher costs?
Sorry, I see no reason to pay unskilled labor, something that can be taught to almost anyone (bagging groceries) a "living wage". If you want to be paid more, get a job that requires skill instead of railing about CEO's (another problem).
Are "jobs that require skill" and pay a living wage available to everyone in the country? It's not like everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer, or even a construction worker. I would consider any job that involves giving a majority of your waking life to a company worthy of something that lets you live the other 30% with a home and food, at least.
Are "jobs that require skill" and pay a living wage available to everyone in the country? It's not like everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer, or even a construction worker. I would consider any job that involves giving a majority of your waking life to a company worthy of something that lets you live the other 30% with a home and food, at least.
If you pull into a gas station and there is self-service and full-service where a guy pumps the gas for you for an extra 10-cents a gallon....which do you go to?
OF COURSE you go to the full-service....you wouldn't want to deny this guy the $14/hour he makes for providing this service would you? In fact, we should pass legislation that MANDATE service station attendants at a living wage. We'll just pass the cost along to the fat cats that can afford cars.
Hey, he shows up to work pumping gas....he DESERVES to make enough to afford a home and whatnot.....
If you pull into a gas station and there is self-service and full-service where a guy pumps the gas for you for an extra 10-cents a gallon....which do you go to?
OF COURSE you go to the full-service....you wouldn't want to deny this guy the $14/hour he makes for providing this service would you? In fact, we should pass legislation that MANDATE service station attendants at a living wage. We'll just pass the cost along to the fat cats that can afford cars.
Hey, he shows up to work pumping gas....he DESERVES to make enough to afford a home and whatnot.....
why not? Americans blow their money on a lot of BS so why not pay somebody who gives you "service" a wage that he can live on?
You are putting a lot of words in my mouth about what I'm "suggesting".
In fact, I wrote earlier about supporting an increase in the federal minimum raise so indeed you need to calm down and READ.
So, you pay EVERYONE a "living wage" for doing jobs that take no training...and the companies can just charge more to make it up. So, the poorest people make more....only to turn around and pay it back in the form of higher costs?
Sorry, I see no reason to pay unskilled labor, something that can be taught to almost anyone (bagging groceries) a "living wage". If you want to be paid more, get a job that requires skill instead of railing about CEO's (another problem).
well you might not see any reason... but I do.. and so do many others...
I'm not here to play class distinction wars.. I'm just saying... the economics behind it.. that you're telling me to read up on.. is not correct and accurate.. paying higher wages to people at burger world has not effected anything in washington state.. nor has the cost of their products gone up at all...because they got better employees with better work ethics... and whatever needed to be offset, they did thru their coupons not raising costs..
You missed the whole point.. Costs have been going up BEFORE minumum wage went up... and by raising minimum wage in Washington.. there was NO HUGE jump in prices... it surprisingly didn't effect it...
I don't care about skills... EVERY job takes some level of skills.. If People are showing up and putting in 40 hours of work.. sometimes grunt work.. whatever.. they deserve a fair wage.. and if that makes them closer to making what you at your little desk drinking coffee.. and answering phones makes.. then I guess we better get unions back to ensure everyone gets what they feel they should.. and not leave it up to employers to determine what YOU are worth...
why not? Americans blow their money on a lot of BS so why not pay somebody who gives you "service" a wage that he can live on?
Hey, I agree 100% if people want to pay more for a service it's certainly a free country. I also agreed with the increase in minimum wage rates.
I do NOT agree that anybody showing up for pretty much any job, like bagging groceries, should get paid a "living wage" with benefits and EXPECT that to be the way things are.
Heck, why don't we just pay everyone the exact same money for every single job in the United States? Then it will be a utopia.
well you might not see any reason... but I do.. and so do many others...
I'm not here to play class distinction wars.. I'm just saying... the economics behind it.. that you're telling me to read up on.. is not correct and accurate.. paying higher wages to people at burger world has not effected anything in washington state.. nor has the cost of their products gone up at all...because they got better employees with better work ethics... and whatever needed to be offset, they did thru their coupons not raising costs..
You missed the whole point.. Costs have been going up BEFORE minumum wage went up... and by raising minimum wage in Washington.. there was NO HUGE jump in prices... it surprisingly didn't effect it...
I don't care about skills... EVERY job takes some level of skills.. If People are showing up and putting in 40 hours of work.. sometimes grunt work.. whatever.. they deserve a fair wage.. and if that makes them closer to making what you at your little desk drinking coffee.. and answering phones makes.. then I guess we better get unions back to ensure everyone gets what they feel they should.. and not leave it up to employers to determine what YOU are worth...
My heart agrees with you, but my head tells me you're all wet. Once we get into the business of trying to regulate what each job is worth, we start down the slippery slope (oh I know, I hate that cliche too, but what are you gonna do?) to state socialism, where the economy becomes a political football to be manipulated by the best-organized pressure groups. State monopolies are fraught with danger. Examples: only the heroic efforts of teachers keep the public education monoploy afloat in this country; Katrina relief is proceeding nicely, right? (wrong!); and how about that smooth-running federal airport security system!!?? Ask anyone who lives or lived in a controlled economy about how much innovation is going on in their country, how many new businesses are starting up, and how committed people are to their work.
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