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If it's a public sector job lost, it's a net gain. That job doesn't pay taxes.
Are you kidding? Do you truly believe that
teachers
nurses
fire fighters
police
snow plow drivers
highway and bridge builders
forest rangers
prison guards
secretaries
food safety inspectors
public health workers
crossing guards
elderly care workers
aides for special needs children
airport safety inspectors
don't pay taxes??????? Well they DO pay taxes and they DO provide much needed services and they ARE the people who have lost their jobs in Wisconsin thanks to Walker.
teachers
nurses
fire fighters
police
snow plow drivers
highway and bridge builders
forest rangers
prison guards
secretaries
food safety inspectors
public health workers
crossing guards
elderly care workers
aides for special needs children
airport safety inspectors
don't pay taxes??????? Well they DO pay taxes and they DO provide much needed services and they ARE the people who have lost their jobs in Wisconsin thanks to Walker.
We ALL pay for the services we receive. When we have our car serviced we pay the mechanic for providing the service. When we call a plumber or an electrician we pay for the service we receive from them. When we have a house built or our pet cared for we pay for those services. No one expects the mechanic, the plumber, the electrician, the carpenter, the vet to work for free.
So why is it that teachers, nurses, elder care workers, crossing guards, police, fire fighters, prison guards, forest rangers, highway and bridge builders, snow plow drivers, etc. are expected to work for free and are treated as though they are some low life parasites?
Do you truly want to live in a community with no schools, no nurses, no police, no firefighters, no prison guards, no elder care workers? If you want their services, who should pay for them? And why do you have no respect for those who make your life so much safer and better?
Knock it off.
All the teachers pay for the same school bonds and taxes you do, and pay their income taxes just as you do. In return, you get your children educated. You sell widgets, they teach. You sell goods, they sell services. Both are equally needed in society.
Your 'recycled taxes' also applies to everything you take for granted. Your streets, street lights, sewer service, your protection, your fire fighters, your judges, city attorneys, librarians, clerks... everyone who makes your life possible in your city. All are 'recycled taxes'.
Of course, you can go build a cabin in the woods, dig a pit for the outhouse in back, scrape out a track for a road, raise a few hogs, and live alone out there, with no electricity, running water, or any protection from criminals and fire, and you won't pay many 'recycled taxes'. That's your alternative.
Pick which way you want to live, but stop sniveling about recycled taxes.
Mandatory union dues take even more money from teachers. the teacher taxpayer has no choice as to how their money is spent when the union gets it.
The NJEA spent 7 million$$ to fight proposed Christie legislation in one short period. Wouldn't it be nice if the teachers could keep that money?
Why do the unions find it so unbearable to allow teachers, etc to have a choice to join a union?
Are they afraid an educator may choose not to join?
Unions treat teachers like widget makers and disrespect their profession when they determine that a teacher with 10 years on the job is more qualified than a teacher with 9 years. Merit performance pay cannot co-exist with archaic tenure and tenure selects for time on the job rather than providing the best qualified teachers.
Our children deserve the best teachers not just union dues paying teachers who have earned tenure.
Teachers are too important to be bound by a self serving union/political quid pro quo relationship.
Our children are too important to be held hostage by the teacher's union. and their political and administrative minions.
teachers
nurses
fire fighters
police
snow plow drivers
highway and bridge builders
forest rangers
prison guards
secretaries
food safety inspectors
public health workers
crossing guards
elderly care workers
aides for special needs children
airport safety inspectors
don't pay taxes??????? Well they DO pay taxes and they DO provide much needed services and they ARE the people who have lost their jobs in Wisconsin thanks to Walker.
Those are all state employees? Don't even try to make the case that state employees pay state taxes, they are paid in our taxes, so they have no money of their own.
State employees do however pay federal income taxes, which to me is a bunch of crap. We use our state taxes to pay their salaries, why should the feds lay any claim to the salaries and benefits we pay our state employees?
Wisconsin is one of two states i think, that actually has slightly more private sector manufacturing employees then state employees.
Business owners in the manufacturing sector are more optimistic in 20111 then they were in 2010.
Quote:
A year ago, 10% of the survey respondents said they believed Wisconsin was going in the right direction. This year, that number jumped to 88%.
"When business leaders are confident, they expand, they hire, they do the things that allow for an economic expansion," said Kurt Bauer, president and CEO of the trade group. "A pro-business message builds confidence among business leaders at a critical time when the state is trying to recover from this deep recession."
Mandatory union dues take even more money from teachers. the teacher taxpayer has no choice as to how their money is spent when the union gets it.
The NJEA spent 7 million$$ to fight proposed Christie legislation in one short period. Wouldn't it be nice if the teachers could keep that money?
Why do the unions find it so unbearable to allow teachers, etc to have a choice to join a union?
Are they afraid an educator may choose not to join?
Unions treat teachers like widget makers and disrespect their profession when they determine that a teacher with 10 years on the job is more qualified than a teacher with 9 years. Merit performance pay cannot co-exist with archaic tenure and tenure selects for time on the job rather than providing the best qualified teachers.
Our children deserve the best teachers not just union dues paying teachers who have earned tenure.
Teachers are too important to be bound by a self serving union/political quid pro quo relationship.
Our children are too important to be held hostage by the teacher's union. and their political and administrative minions.
I wonder if people have any idea of how tentative employment was for teachers before there were unions. Do they know how many times teachers lost their jobs because they didn't give high grades to the children of influential people? Do they know that before unions there was a time when female teachers were fired if they married and also when even married female teachers were routinely fired if they became pregnant. Do they know that teachers were expected to scrub the floors and clean the toilets in addition to teaching? Do they know that if a teacher somehow annoyed a member of the public they could be and often were fired just on the basis of one complaint? Do they know that in some areas teachers were paid very little salary and were expected to live with one of the student's parent with their room and board being counted as part of their salary? Every town had their own rules that were subject to change everytime the council in charge changed and teachers were expected to teach, dress, and live their lives at the whim of these councils. Really, seriously, do yourselves a favor and read some of the history of how teachers were treated before unions. Sometimes I think that some unions go a little too far now days. However, when you consider how teachers had to live before the unions, I'll take the unions any day.
Yeah, they pay taxes with recycled tax money. See, they get paid with TAX dollars so they pay their taxes with, yep, you guessed it, TAX dollars!
Then the book companies don't count either, because they pay taxes with recycled tax money too.
same thing for the:
road repair contractors and their employees
the utility company
the fuel company that supplies gasoline for vehicles
etc., etc.
What the poster fails at is understand what an economy is. Everybody pays everyone else with recycled money.
The notion that somehow taxes paid by public employees really doesn't count or isn't as worthy as taxes paid by the private sector is very silly. But if you think that state employees pay no state taxes because they are paid in our taxes, just see what kind of short-fall the state would have if they didn't pay taxes. If a state had 100,000 employees earning an average of $40,000 a year and the state tax was 7%, that would be $280 million. I'm sure those employees would be glad to hear that you want to refund them that money, because it isn't "real."
Last edited by MTAtech; 11-29-2011 at 04:51 PM..
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