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Interesting discrepancy from the OP's link and the government's data
Actually the data in the article he posted is same as BLS data, trying to figure out why you would have job loss and the unemployment rate would go down. Other than population shift or possibly something to do with seasonal jobs I'm not sure why at the moment. The 9700 job loss is only the difference between Sept and and Oct of this year.
Who cares? These days, a job is a job, and any job loss ends up costing us all. There is no validity to believing that consumers have any voluntary say about either the private or the public sectors. If that was true, private businesses would not still be sitting on their cash. They would all be busy hiring workers.
Hate on the unions if you want, but when they were at their height in the 50's, the average non-degreed, non-professional worker brought home more income- real income, with far higher taxes placed on it, than the same worker doing the same job in the 80's brought home. Union or not. The unions floated the entire wage scale upwards, and non-members profited from it.
I have never been a union member, and I live in a Right To Work state. I ran my own business most of my life, and I have seen how a state declines when the unions are busted up.
Business does not provide the level of expertise to all workers that unions require as a part of membership. We all end up paying for mistakes done in critical jobs, and we all end up paying twice for some of them- we get bit first on the shoddy construction, and then we get bit again when that it has to be replaced.
Right To Work was created so that an unqualified person can do the same work for the same wage as a qualified person. At least, that was how it was intended to be. Idiots could run the same machines as skilled operators. Idiots could wire houses. Idiots could build foundations. We had only inspectors to be our guards in public safety, and now, most of them have lost their jobs as local governments' employees are squeezed down to the bare minimum. We won't even know who to go after when we get bit now, as the gal who keeps the records that were written by the fired inspector also got the axe.
The real result of Right To Work soon became nothing but a race to the bottom, where only the cheapest prevailed. Right To Work means Right To Starve for any skilled workers these days. It has severely lessened the safety of our public buildings, our public schools and roads, and has cheapened the quality of our once world-beating products.
I guess the folks in Wisconsin are re-learning that lesson.
Gov.Walker may be able to overcome the recall, but he's toast. He won't ever get a second term, and will go down as Wisconsin's George W. Bush in the history books.
i haven't kept track much on the petition signatures, but I learned 150,000 of them were collected in the first 24 hours of the recall. That's about 1/5 of the total number needed in 24 hours. If I was Walker, I would be sweating bullets right now, but that's just me... I try to be a realist in most things.
Seems I've heard these union talking points for years now. Your argument conflates public sector and private sector unionism. Walker has not done anything to lessen the power of private sector unions. His focus has been on public sector unions which for years have made a corrupt bargain with Dem pols to the detriment of taxpayers. Just as private sector unions bankrupted the American auto industry public sector unions have bankrupted states and municipalities. The bottom line is that if Walker loses his fight against the public employee unions it will be the taxpayers who will be the ultimate losers.
Unions are spending hundreds of millions to retire Walker because their way of life is ending.
This is the false equivalence fallacy. Unions spending money on ads to protect middle class workers and jobs is not the same as the Koch brother's shadow organizations spending money to keep Walker so that he can do their bidding -- reducing worker protections; reducing bargaining rights, etc. which inevitably increase the disparity between the ultra-rich and the middle-class.
You should probably take another gander at those charts before you level such charges.
Georgia lost 33,000 jobs from Oct. 2010 to Oct. 2011 (over the course of a year)
Wisconsin lost 9,700 jobs from Sept 2011 to Oct. 2011 (over the course of one month)
Interestingly enough from Sept 2011 to Oct. 2011 California has been the second largest job creator after Illinois that month and has over taken Texas for the year. I guess when the stimulus tap, that all the Republicans complained about while looting as fast as possible, was turned off Texas just stopped being competitive.
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Some folks seem to rejoice at the death of union jobs. Obviously history wasn't their strong suit or they would know that it was union jobs that created the middle class in this country so, in effect, they are rejoicing at the death of the middle class. They will continue their rejoicing until they find that the bell tolls for them too.
Those jobs that Illinois created, were they minimum wage jobs flipping burgers and/or hiring more public sector employees? The jobs that Wisconsin lost, how many were private sector related and how many were because of public sector layoffs and/or government contracts drying up?
Jobs are jobs.
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