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Originally Posted by Sunnysee
Yeppers, go to a pro-gay website and find footnotes that support their claim that a considerable number of them were not molested in childhod, and go to a pro-conservative website and find just as much substantiation of gays having been molested in childhood.
Here is an interesting entry from JAMA and just one quote from there..
"The review also found that: "Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused."
Page, here...
Sexual Abuse: A Major Cause Of Homosexuality?
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Originally Posted by Rlarson21
hmm.. you can talk to many gay people on here and in real life who were not molested by someone.
sorry, i don't have a mental illness no matter how much you want me to have one.
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Also, Sunnysee, what would you say about people who were abused by the same sex? By your logic, shouldn't they have been traumatized into heterosexuality?
Let's look at your source, Sunnysee.
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It is a well-documented fact that many many homosexuals were sexually abused when young.
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No doubt about it. Why aren't we talking about all the heterosexuals that were sexually abused, though? Without talking about that we cannot conclude the following:
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In other words, there is an abundance of evidence that many many homosexuals were born heterosexual but were disoriented by sexual abuse.
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We would instead have to do a
comparative study of heterosexuals to homosexuals, both with a history of abuse and without one.
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Indeed, there are many more cases of sexual abuse than there are cases of homosexuality.
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Yep. That would be because a lot of heterosexuals are sexually abused.
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"In one national study in 1985, 27 percent of the females interviewed and 16 percent of the males reported to have been sexually abused as children. Other studies indicate that these figures are too low. It is suggested that eighty percent of all sexual abuse is not reported."2
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The one statement I think might be approaching some element of accuracy in this whole article. It's true that sexual abuse is largely under-reported--by heterosexuals and homosexuals alike, because of the sense of shame and emotional blackmail perpetrators often instill on their victims.
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The Associated Press noted in late 1998 that, according to an analysis of 166 studies covering the years 1985-97
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Whoah--do you have anything more up-to-date? Or is a study from 27-15 years ago the best you can do?
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The review also found that: "Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused.
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Sorry but correlation does not prove causality. Even if these statistics are accurate, they could have been victimized more often
because they were gay, or more effeminate, etc. In other words, it could just as easily be that they were gay first and victimized second.
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Whatever the true percentages are of male and female sex abuse victims, considering how high the suggested/reported numbers are compared to the percentage of the population that is homosexual (only 1%-2%), we can see that sexual abuse can theoretically account for every case of homosexuality.
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Again, where is the causality here? Just because numbers appear to be similar does not prove a causal link at all. That's kind of like saying because 13% of the population is Black and 13% of the population is Latino, being Black makes you Latino. Or being Latino makes you Black.
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"No one has yet identified a particular gay gene....There is no all-inclusive explanation for the variation in sexual orientation
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True, but that is not what most gay people are claiming. They are claiming
it is not a choice. Conditioning can become set for life. In utero hormone levels could set sexual orientation for life, even though it's technically not genetic.
Not to mention, just because we do not have a definite explanation yet does not mean that the phenomenon in question is not real. The universe operated by the laws of gravity before Newton was born. Even though we didn't know the why, we still knew from the personal experience of living day to day that gravity exists, even though we didn't know what it was or how to explain it. Doubting homosexuality is 100% real because we don't have a full explanation would be like if Newton's predecessors denied gravity because he hadn't discovered the law of gravity yet.
In any case, this studies relies on no more than personal testimony to try to "prove" that all gay people have been sexually abused, so I don't see why the authors of the articles quoted here aren't satisfied with the personal testimony
of gay people themselves that they have always been gay. Seems like there is a great deal of cherry-picking going on to me.
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(And even if there ever was a "homosexual gene," since most if not all homosexuals do not sire offspring, one would think that homosexual genes would disappear or die out.)
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First of all, a lot of gay people do have kids. Not to mention, a lot of heterosexuals give birth to gay kids. Gay kids are not only born of gay parents. In fact,
most gay people's own parents are themselves heterosexual. And believe it or not, most gay parents give birth to heterosexual kids. If homosexuality is genetic, it is not as simple as one gene that is passed alone dominantly as this statement seems to imply.
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So how can anyone claim, in good conscience, that homosexuals are born that way and have no choice? When someone says they are homosexual, our first response should be to try and find out if he/she was sexually abused and, if so, to then punish the abuser. Our next response should be to provide therapy to homosexuals to help them cope with their problems.
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Nothing like the soft homophobia of a patronizing paternalistic attitude.
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Those who push the born-homosexual line are effectively ignoring the sexual abuse of children. What kind of "people" want to let pedophiles get away with sexually abusing little kids?
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Whoah, whoah, whoah, whoah, whoah. How in the world can you equate being supportive of the LGBTQ community with letting pedophiles off the hook? Even if homosexuality were caused by pedophilia,
supporting gay people and
letting pedophiles get away with child abuse are two completely different things altogether. Not to mention, this statement confuses two separate phenomena:
homosexuality and
pedophilia, and two different acts:
consensual same-sex relations and
adult-child rape. If you cannot see the difference between those two orientations and acts, then you have bigger problems than the gay people you are claiming need therapy.
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If sexual abuse happens to a one-year or two-year old child, he or she may not remember it later in life because it happened at such a young age. However, the trauma can govern the rest of the victim's life. Some homosexuals will swear they were never sexually abused, but they have no way of knowing for sure.
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The same could be said of heterosexuals. How many heterosexuals are walking around that were abused and don't know it? And yet they are still heterosexual. This article holds absolutely no ground until it compares the statistics of homosexuals and sexual abuse histories with heterosexuals and sexual abuse histories.
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Those who oppose using therapy to change homosexuals into heterosexuals are, in effect, trying to keep homosexuals locked into homosexuality. Those who oppose using therapy to change homosexuals into heterosexuals are, in effect, trying to keep homosexuals locked into homosexuality. Those who oppose such therapy do not want homosexuals to have a choice, a way out of homosexuality. That's un-American, inhumane, intolerant, and meanly oppressive.
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How would you feel if people insisted you, as a heterosexual, were "locked into" your heterosexuality, and needed to be changed into a homosexual? Heterosexual is who you are. Same with gay people. It's who we are.
Forcing someone to under procedures like electroshock therapy is intolerant, inhumane and meanly oppressive. Have you ever been through electrotherapy? I can tell you, as someone who has, it's awful. I get flashbacks from it every night. How is traumatizing gay people for life the right thing to do?
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In addition, considering all the solid scientific evidence that many homosexuals are mentally disturbed to one degree or another because of sexual abuse
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Why is this article not considering all the gay people who were not sexually abused? There are plenty of gay people walking around who are breathing, living evidence of the fact that you can be gay without a history of sexual abuse. Why does this article choose to ignore them? How can this article draw any reliable conclusion without comparing abused homosexuals to non-abused homosexuals?
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One last note: Homosexuals do not want you to know that many of them were sexually abused when young, because many people who were so abused go on to molest others.
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And many don't care. I'm gay and I was molested. There you have it. Yes, some abused people do go on to abuse others, but again, this article is not considering the large number of people who were abused who do not go not go on to abuse others. Again, the major fault of this article is that it only looks at bits and pieces, and draws incomplete and inaccurate conclusions. Why didn't this article interview gay people who were not abused, and straight people who were?
How can come to any kind of reliable conclusion without looking at the whole picture?
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