Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-03-2012, 07:51 AM
 
Location: South East
4,209 posts, read 3,590,724 times
Reputation: 1465

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by muleskinner View Post
YOU are the laughable one and your comments about RTW are irrelevent because you are standing on the other side of the argument.

How's that neighbor's deck coming along? With this bad economy do they still give you a bit of credit down at the local lumber yard? I'll let you in on a secret...if you start buying a bit more material,they'll deliver it for free.

Everyone with a pickup truck with cheap stickers and a level is a "successful" contractor these days,you have a lot of good company.
I am sorry you lead such an unsuccessful life.

To answer your questions....the DOCK for the 3 Million dollar house we are builiding on deep water was just completed.....for the price of 20,000 which included driving the pilings into deep water. The 7,000 sf home on front beach we are building for another customer will probably come in arounds 3 million as well, however it is currently just in framing. Btw....our subs are well paid!! The mass country club renovation we are getting ready to start will be just near a million....I know, not a lot, but have to do small jobs also in this economy. The 3 other small restuarants which are complete design/build jobs for us ( do you know what that means? We get paid not only to build, but to consult thought the design phase with the architect to ensure our customers get exactly what they want while staying in their budget) will probably total a couple hundred thousand each. The new house which we will start in a few months, which is also a design/build job (see description above) will be close to a million.

The small jobs we give directly to our subcontractors and allow them to keep all profit. We do not need to make money off of those jobs and we do everything we can to help those whom work for us.

We were one of the top 10 busiest builders in our area last year and already have enough business on the books to hold that title again for 2012. The golf trips, deep sea fishing outings, and numerous thanks to us from our vendors due to the amount of money we have made them feels pretty good!

Cheap pick up truck? Well, I do have an old truck I use solely for towing my horse to shows. My husband has a almost new Chevy 2500 hd and I love my landerover!

How is life treating you since you presume to know so much About me?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-03-2012, 07:52 AM
 
Location: South East
4,209 posts, read 3,590,724 times
Reputation: 1465
Quote:
Originally Posted by suncc49 View Post
don't worry the chinese are replacing the union jobs.....
:d:d:d
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
9,701 posts, read 5,115,103 times
Reputation: 4270
Quote:
Originally Posted by stayinformed40 View Post
The middle class are not declining in my right to work state.
Are you in any of the following states? B/c these are the leading states for minimum wage jobs.

1 Mississippi
2 Texas
3 Alabama
5 Louisiana
6 Oklahoma
7 Georgia
8 Tennesee
11 Arkansas
12 North Carolina
13 Virginia

10 of the top 13 states for minimum wages jobs are RTW. What a win for the working man...

Edit:http://www.americanprogressaction.or...nd_unions.html
Quote:
The states with the lowest percentage of workers in unions—North Carolina, Georgia, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Oklahoma, and Texas—all have relatively weak middle classes. In each of these states, the share of income going to the middle class (the middle 60 percent of the population by income) is below the national average, according to Census Bureau figures.
So much for the "strong" middle class in RTW states...


Quote:
Maybe you feel they are in other states. That is your Opinion. I feel unions ruin business, and therefore, ruin the economic status for everyone in a union state.
Do you understand what that graph says? Unions don't ruin business. They act on behalf of the workers to get a FAIR share of the pie. How is it that we're seeing record levels of profit, records levels of executive pay, yet middle-class & lower-class wages have stagnated or dropped?

How is it that in a productive economy the workers aren't getting a share of the spoils? B/c they have no voice w/o unions. They have to rely on the mercy of their employers to throw them extra crumbs.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2012, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
30,976 posts, read 21,646,641 times
Reputation: 9676
Are you from a right to work state and live in a town big enough to have manufacturing plants? I do, and since Right to Work passed in my state in 2001, no new manufacturing plants came to town like the Right to Work hucksters said might happen. Instead, two huge manufacturing plants have shut down. Maybe this is a sign of things to come for towns in Indiana.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
41,325 posts, read 44,956,928 times
Reputation: 7118
Love this guy. Daniels interview.

Daniels: Phone’s ringing off the hook now that we’re right-to-work « Hot Air

He's right. "Noise" from the unions is just that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2012, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
30,976 posts, read 21,646,641 times
Reputation: 9676
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
Love this guy. Daniels interview.

Daniels: Phone’s ringing off the hook now that we’re right-to-work « Hot Air

He's right. "Noise" from the unions is just that.
LOL, Surely, the calls are coming from companies that have many low paying, minimum wage jobs to offer Indiana. Union free companies that already pay decent wages and offer good benefits don't have to worry about being threatened by unions, whether a state has right to work, or not.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2012, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
26,211 posts, read 19,529,215 times
Reputation: 21679
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
Regarding non-unionized workers gaining from unionized activities, if you have weekends off, you have benefited from union gains. If you have a safe workplace, you have benefited from union gains.

When the right-wingers on CD complain about "unions buying politicians," what are they really talking about? Unions mainly lobby government for legislation that protects safety, health and working conditions.

Corporations lobby government to reduce worker protections and relax public safety, such as pollution controls, so that they can earn greater profits at the public's expense. So, when the right tries to equate the two, it's a false equivalence.
How do you know they have a better life? What metric are you using to gauge standard of living?

Let's look at a few examples:

Texas:
Health Data Shows Massachusetts Most Insured State, Texas Ranks Last

Texas ranks near the bottom nationally in money spent on education

Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.
Worst environmental record in the United States
Ranks #1 in illiteracy
Ranks #1 in the lowest high school graduation rate
Ranks #1 with the highest interest rates “pay day†companies can charge
Ranks #1 in those making below minimum wage
Ranks # 1 (26.5%) who lack health insurance
Ranks # 1 (20.3%) of children who lack health insurance
Ranks # 1 in the highest per capita executions in the world
Ranks #50 in $ spent for Medicaid for the poor and children
Ranks 50th ( dead last ) in $ spent on its citizens
Ranks #2 in the rate of food insecure children.
Ranks 49th ( the 2nd lowest ) in Medicaid $ given to nursing homes
Ranks #1 in teen repeat births
Ranks #4 in teen pregnancy rate
Ranks #3 in teen birth rate
Ranks #2 with the highest home insurance rates
Ranks 49th in $ funded for the mentally ill
Ranks #1 with the highest overall pollution rate
Ranks #4 in adults under correctional control
Ranks #1 in adults under probation
(source)
Well said. Many of the poor who are in favor of greater corporate ( and CEO) profits and less profits and benefits shared by blue collar workers do so for a variety of reasons (brainwashed by FOX news, equate unions with Democrats, therefore they must be evil, bitterness at working a dead end, non union job, etc..) but what they really want is for a greater percentage of the population to be serfs, like they are.

Again, it is the old adage: Misery loves company.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2012, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
9,701 posts, read 5,115,103 times
Reputation: 4270
Quote:
Originally Posted by odanny View Post
Well said. Many of the poor who are in favor of greater corporate ( and CEO) profits and less profits and benefits shared by blue collar workers do so for a variety of reasons (brainwashed by FOX news, equate unions with Democrats, therefore they must be evil, bitterness at working a dead end, non union job, etc..) but what they really want is for a greater percentage of the population to be serfs, like they are.

Again, it is the old adage: Misery loves company.
If that's true, you can't help but feel sorry for those schlubs. It's in our nature to be selfish to a degree, so the way that Right-wing propaganda has gotten the average working person to vote against their own interest is sad and borderline unnatural.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
26,211 posts, read 19,529,215 times
Reputation: 21679
Quote:
Originally Posted by stayinformed40 View Post
Whatever.

Weekends off? Yes, and also plastic surgery and ridiculous pay and vacation time. Again, all on the tax payers back.

My husband and I own our own business. We do not have some union thug molesting our state so that we can be fat and lazy....little work for ridiculous pay. Weekends off? Doesn't happen we you are responsible for yourself and want to be successful. We have a limited amount of very happy employees whom do enjoy weekends off and we outsource work to countless independent contractors in our great right to work state.

Unions have destroyed America and make current Americans whom are members lazy. They use thug tactics to make unreasonable demands on businesses. I love seeing states start to wake up and realize they need to abolish unions and declare their states right to work ones!
You know absolutely nothing about unions, and this post proves it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-03-2012, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
26,211 posts, read 19,529,215 times
Reputation: 21679
Quote:
Originally Posted by EddieB.Good View Post
It's in our nature to be selfish to a degree, so the way that Right-wing propaganda has gotten the average working person to vote against their own interest is sad and borderline unnatural.
Borderline unnatural? That's a bit kind.

I've known for years that the Dumbing Down of America is deliberate and targeted, and very, very effective. The people behind it have vast sums of money at their disposal, media empires and an entire political party. How else does one explain poor white trash crashing townhall meetings to argue against healthcare reform? Some of these people were even uninsured! The poor arguing in favor of greater corporate profits when healthcare costs are out of control.

It is truly an exercise in psychology, and you cannot be successful at it if you don't appeal to peoples fears, prejudices and stupidity.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:16 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top