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Old 02-02-2012, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The problem is unions have become more about the union then the worker. Unions played a great role in changing workers laws and fighting for jobs. However the union is no longer about the unions it is about the unions self survival.
Unions are about union survival?

Hmmmm......I wonder why that would be....
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The problem is unions have become more about the union then the worker. Unions played a great role in changing workers laws and fighting for jobs. However the union is no longer about the unions it is about the unions self survival. Workers take a back seat to the union surviving. ex the pilots union as AA. They were more concerned about the union then the workers. Surely the union could see the losses AMR was taking could not be sustained. Unions in the modern day is about the Union and giving money to democrats.
Unions today are about wages and work rules as the unions no longer control health and pensions. These are controlled by the Mgt. of the company or state system. The AA company is spending 14mil a month to Bain to help it in chapter 11. They have stopped paying into the pension program of its employees. Bad Mgt. is the problem.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Yeah, it's not the offshoring that's removing jobs from the US, it's unions
Not even minimum wage non unionized American workers can afford to compete with the Chinese who may only work for as little as 25-50 cents an hour.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They didn't get rid of the unions. They are just giving people the choice. If you don't join the union you don't have to pay any money to the unions.

Why are you so against letting people choose for themselves ?
Because you think YOU know what's right for them ?
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Isn't it peculiar how the Republicans can get the poor to argue against unions? I think it proves the old adage:

Misery loves company
Poor people have poor ways.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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They didn't get rid of the unions. They are just giving people the choice. If you don't join the union you don't have to pay any money to the unions.

Why are you so against letting people choose for themselves ?
Because you think YOU know what's right for them ?
Why are workers in such need of the right to freeload off their unions? Unions aren't free of expenses. Unions might only deduct as little as 1 or 2% from paychecks. Haven't you heard the saying, "There's no such thing as a free lunch"

If the union is ripping off workers, then they kick the union out. No law said a worker has to work in a unionized work place, if he or she doesn't like the conditions there. There are plenty of non unionized jobs to CHOOSE.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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They didn't get rid of the unions. They are just giving people the choice. If you don't join the union you don't have to pay any money to the unions.

Why are you so against letting people choose for themselves ?
Because you think YOU know what's right for them ?
Because I have seen both and wish to let people know which system is better for the employee. After all it is about the best for the people not the corporations.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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They didn't get rid of the unions. They are just giving people the choice. If you don't join the union you don't have to pay any money to the unions.

Why are you so against letting people choose for themselves ?
Because you think YOU know what's right for them ?
Either you are very naive or you are being dishonest. The right-wing that pass these laws aren't interested in giving workers 'choice,' they're interested in breaking unions. By breaking unions they serve two interests 1) they undermine wages for their corporate overlords and; 2) they undermine the Democratic Party, which does receive more union support, because they favor laws that help ordinary working people over the corporations.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Well then you think that unions should be destroyed basically.

Because if union members are allowed not to join a union, then they will be favored for promotion, they will be used as scab labor.

In short, so called "right-to-work" laws destroy any leverage the union has in negotiating their contract.

It's so amazing the hate US citizens have for union workers trying to provide for their families.

You will not find this mentality anywhere else in the World.

Almost an entire populace that's so ignorant and lazy that they fall for right wing propaganda designed to increase corporate power and weaken workers pay/benefits/rights.

In a time where the gap between rich and poor is the greatest in our history.

Pathetically sad how ignorant US citizens are. I'd rank them having a intellect on the level of African tribal communties. Just as misinformed, no reason, no rational in their thinking.
No you won't find that mentality anywhere else since as in Western Europe they have already become more socialistic than we have.
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Old 02-02-2012, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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So did right to work help those Boeing employees who lose there jobs in Kansas when they close down?
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