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Why don't we just "easternize" and convert our form of government to a theocracy?
Why should THEY change to be like us in order to avoid conflict? Why can't WE change instead?
Uh...maybe because we're the society that values life and freedom and they're the repressive theocracy?
I get your point about seeing things from other perspectives, but when one society is deciding whether homosexuals should get civil unions or full marriages while the other one is deciding whether they should be buried waist deep or neck deep before you stone them to death, is there really a moral equivalency there?
Plus, I'm pretty sure the comment about westernizing was referring to how similar to Americans they already seemed in their dress and cars and manner of speaking.
Joe, I think the Iranian people are, and have been, ready to westernize. They don't control the government so even rioting won't work, at least as long as the US has President who won't help them when they do try.
If he did help them, you'd be calling him a warmonger.
Uh...maybe because we're the society that values life and freedom and they're the repressive theocracy?
I get your point about seeing things from other perspectives, but when one society is deciding whether homosexuals should get civil unions or full marriages while the other one is deciding whether they should be buried waist deep or neck deep before you stone them to death, is there really a moral equivalency there?
Plus, I'm pretty sure the comment about westernizing was referring to how similar to Americans they already seemed in their dress and cars and manner of speaking.
The Republicans have been trying to change that for the past 30 years now..........they like the way the Ayatollahs run things over there and want to transfer that energy to America.
The c's are trying their best to do that in the US these days.
No difference.
Being western isn't always the best thing to be.
"Being western isn't always the best thing to be"
Yes it is. Every Region, Country and Culture in the world thinks theirs is the best, it's just human nature. How to tell which is the best: See how many people want to move there!
What is the West anyway? There are huge differences between Brazil, Britain, the US, Spain, Finland etc.
I guess one of the few things we all have in common in the West is our secular laws, which I support. That however would be one of the most difficult aspects to implement in Iran. The leadership will defend the Islamic supremacy at all cost as they know that many Iranians are rather open-minded, much more so than Saudis etc.
It is called Operation Ajax. However, many Americans are ignorant of the fact that Iran tried to Westernize on their own by being the first Middle East country to hold a democratically election that resulted in a freedom, loving secularist.
However, Mossadegh didn't care for the British oil companies who were raping his home country. After all, Britain was living high off the hog, while Iranians were receiving wages to support Western opulence. So, he decided to nationalize that oil companies.
However, Churchill didn't like this so he rallied up the aid of the Americans (Eisenhower) and the CIA to overthrow the freedom loving Mossadegh and install a puppet regime. This puppet regime consisted of the Shah. The Shah was backed by the SAVAK, who were the Iranian secret police that tortured political dissenters using Nazi torture tactics taught to them by the CIA and Mossad.
After decades of oppression by the Shah, the SAVAK, and "freedom" loving Western countries, Iranians decided to overthrow their government in 1979 from the same embassy that the CIA/Mossad planned the coup of Mossadegh.
The moral of the story: Iran was westernizing until American ****ed it up.
Last edited by A Common Anomaly; 02-17-2012 at 07:44 PM..
It is called Operation Ajax. However, many Americans are ignorant of the fact, that Iran tried to Western on their own by being the first Middle East country to hold a democratically election that resulted in a freedom, loving secularist.
However, Mossadegh didn't care for the British oil companies who were raping his home country. After all, Britain was living high off the hog, while Iranians were receiving wages to support Western opulence. So, he decided to nationalize that oil companies.
However, Churchill didn't like this so he rallied up the aid of the Americans (Eisenhower) and the CIA to overthrow the freedom loving Mossadegh and install a puppet regime. This puppet regime consisted of the Shah. The Shah was backed by the SAVAK, who were the Iranian secret police that tortured political dissenters using Nazi torture tactics taught to them by the CIA and Mossad.
After decades of oppression by the Shah, the SAVAK, and "freedom" loving Western countries, Iranians decided to overthrow their government in 1979 from the same embassy that the CIA/Mossad planned the coup of Mossadegh.
The moral of the story: Iran was westernizing until American ****ed it up.
There's a little more to that story. Mossadegh was also being courted by the German's to cut off the flow of goods across Iran into the Soviet Union. And, it looked like that courting was about to pay off. Since the majority of our aid to the Soviets at that time was going through Iran, the Allies could not take the chance of it being ended. Incidently, that was an important reason that Britain occupied Iraq too, at about the same time.
I'm not saying that was the primary reason for his overthrow, or that the Pahlavi family were sterling characters. I'm just pointing out that the coup had bigger implications as well.
By the way...does anybody know who built Savak for the Shah?
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There are huge differences between Brazil, Britain, the US, Spain, Finland etc.
