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I cannot possibly outline all five of the books in the Torah in a forum post. If you want to know - go read Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Numbers. You specifically asked about homosexuality - I answered you. Do some research on your own - I hope that you read the entire Bible - not just the Torah - but that is a good start.
So eating shellfish is still a sin since the Law was not erased one iota?
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Originally Posted by Harrier
Jesus often referred back to the Jewish law - which says that homosexuality is wrong. THe Bible needs to be read and understood as a whole body of work - you cannot cherry-pick bits and pieces and expect them to make sense.
Jesus made it clear that his life, death, and ressurection was the fulfillment of the Law - also that not one iota of the law would be erased. ......
You're the one cherry-picking homosexuality as a sin. As mentioned on another current thread, the Jewish law (which only mentioned male homosexuality, not female) also forbids the eating of shellfish and the breaking of the Sabbath (Saturday) by doing ANY work whatsoever, with the offender being put to death. I'm surprised you think that hasn't changed. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are chock-full of laws that Orthodox Jews still obey but Christians don't (don't wear clothes woven of more than one fabric such as cotton and rayon blends, avoid certain kinds of mold and cleanse the house with a live bird's blood, don't eat pork, it's ok to sell your daughter into slavery, women are unclean and not to be touched after giving birth and when menstruating, you have to drain the blood from any animal before eating it, etc, on and on ..... )
You're the one cherry-picking homosexuality as a sin. As mentioned on another current thread, the Jewish law (which only mentioned male homosexuality, not female) also forbids the eating of shellfish and the breaking of the Sabbath (Saturday) by doing ANY work whatsoever, with the offender being put to death. I'm surprised you think that hasn't changed. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are chock-full of laws that Orthodox Jews still obey but Christians don't (don't wear clothes woven of more than one fabric such as cotton and rayon blends, avoid certain kinds of mold and cleanse the house with a live bird's blood, don't eat pork, it's ok to sell your daughter into slavery, women are unclean and not to be touched after giving birth and when menstruating, you have to drain the blood from any animal before eating it, etc, on and on ..... )
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Originally Posted by hammertime33
So eating shellfish is still a sin since the Law was not erased one iota?
Again - you are cherry-picking OT verses and ignoring the NT. People who have not read the Bible - or willfully misunderstand it cannot speak about it authoritatively. You are a prime example. Open your eyes - and read the entire Counsel of God - as a body of work.
Again - you are cherry-picking OT verses and ignoring the NT. People who have not read the Bible - or willfully misunderstand it cannot speak about it authoritatively. You are a prime example. Open your eyes - and read the entire Counsel of God - as a body of work.
Considering I've seen some of these posters on the Christian section of this site, I'm certain that what you have stated has already been stated to them, but it comes down to what people want to believe. If they want to believe that the Bible is wrong then they will continue to cherry pick verses to justify their view, but if they really honestly want to know the truth then they would do just as you said and read the whole context of what the word of God is stating by reading the Bible. Only those people can make that decision for themselves.
There is no such thing as sexual orientation - that is why it wasn't mentioned.
They did understand sexual preference - and they knew that some people chose to be homosexual - which was(and is) deviant.
There absolutely is sexual orientation.... The word "homosexual" first appeared in an American Bible in 1973, the New International Version (NIV).
"I am always amazed at how the Bible, that portrays my Lord embracing the outcasts, touching the lepers, welcoming the Samaritans, not judging the woman taken in the act of adultery, and inviting 'all of ye,' not 'some of ye,' to 'come unto me,' can, in the hands of a few distorted people be turned into a book of hatred, violence and judgment." J.S. Spong, an author and retired bishop of the Episcopal Church, USA
You are showing a lot of ignorance about the Bible. Jesus is known as the Word, and is the author of the entire Bible. He is not merely a human being that you can quote for his time on earth. The Word is very clearly against the practice of homosexuality (not homosexuals---they're human beings in need of salvation, same as anyone else; however, one cannot continue in the practice of sin).
Did you quit sinning when you got saved? Has anyone?
True - according to the policies of his church - he was fine. But he should not be surprised that his congregation thought differently - and he is leading a corporation. If you have bills to pay - you don't offend your members who you rely on to pay those things. He should have had a better feel for his congregation before he did something that drove them away.
So, what are you suggesting? That he should have tempered his remarks for the all mighty dollar? That church income supersedes right and wrong?
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