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Old 06-16-2012, 09:55 PM
 
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anyone who is working sure should not be deprived life liberty and justice.

If we can not afford to pay a living wage for our food we are not a real nation.
True that . It's that most illegals feed off our government and expect us to care for them even though they truly aren't a citizen..
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:58 PM
 
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You assume liberals aren't capitalists.

You assume liberals aren't economists.

You assume liberals are socialists.

Sorta like me assuming conservatives welcome an elite ruling class telling you how to live your lives.

Sorta like me assuming conservatives these days know absolutely nothing about economics.

Sorta lime me assuming conservatives these days are fascists.
Nationalized healthcare. Entitlement society. Unprecedented expansion of government. A massive debt and deficit. I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions from that.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:00 PM
 
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23 BILLION dollars left our economy last year how is that not hurting our country? Especially in these economic times?
It is also taking jobs from out of work Americans here legally how is that not hurting our economy?

We also give MEDICAL, HOUSING, ETC assistance to them that we tax payers pay for and how is this not hurting out country and its people?
Clinton opened many flood gates while in office and giving amnesty was one of them more came hopping for the same thing.
It is insulting to all of us if we just look at the dollar amounts that are leaving this country to bolster another countries economy and Mexico is NOT a Poor country either do some research on the money that Mexico pulls in they just keep their people poor.
What should be happening is Mexico should be digging into their pockets and taking care of its own people it is not our job to do so.
And especially at the expense of American citizens



Published: Jan. 12, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Foreign remittances, mainly from the United States, are Mexico's second-largest source of foreign exchange after oil exports.

They peaked at $26 billion in 2007 as the housing boom hit its top and are expected to be $23 billion for 2011.



Mexican immigrants sending more money home - UPI.com



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the porus border problem can be solved,, just get the hell out of afghanistan!!! and place all the troops on the border..
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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I honestly don't see "Obama Care" as being successful. It has some good to it yes, but over the long run it won't work.

I won't disagree something needs to be done. Current health insurance companies are disgraceful.



With a single payer system we'd probably see that 1/8 shrink. That is too large a chunk of the economy going to medicine.
the present obama care is not what needs to be done, it is a stripped down compromise version, but putting all children on basic plans is a decent start.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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How many illegal immigrants can we send home for $23 BILLION?
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:06 PM
 
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True that . It's that most illegals feed off our government and expect us to care for them even though they truly aren't a citizen..
please show me the data that they feed off any more than any other group with wages in that range.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:07 PM
 
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How many illegal immigrants can we send home for $23 BILLION?
again show me the amount illegals are send vs guest workers and people with green cards and american citizens. you seem to think all people working are illegal.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:08 PM
 
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is that the principle of attacking a nation on lies that will cost us 1-3 trillion dollars. I am tired of righty principles of stupidity.

remember righty contractors were delivering empty trucks of fuel for huge prices claiming they were full. estimated 100s of billions of dollars of fraud in Iraq alone. That was pure fraud part, not the 10,000 toilet seats or O rings.
Let me just tell you that I hear about that obscure fact about empty trucks and fuel prices every day from respected politicians and major news organizations. So, why hasn't GWB been indicted for war crimes yet? Hmmm...

I'm not entirely sure that you or anyone can prove that reason behind the Iraq War was a conspiracy. We may never know, but I do know that the Obama administration passed an extremely expensive and complicated healthcare bill at a time when our country is teetering on economic collapse and facing a 15 trillion dollar deficit. That I can prove...
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:12 PM
 
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Let me just tell you that I hear about that obscure fact about empty trucks and fuel prices every day from respected politicians and major news organizations.

I'm not entirely sure that you or anyone can prove that reason behind the Iraq War was a conspiracy. We may never know, but I do know that the Obama administration passed an extremely expensive and complicated healthcare bill at a time when our country is teetering on economic collapse and facing a 15 trillion dollar deficit. That I can prove...
read the GAO report....

my god they were even passing around football sized bundles of $100.00 bills that did not have to be accounted for.

part of our collapse has to do with paying double the rest of the worlds cost for medical. are you that blind to not realize every cost we are incurring at double the rate of the world is destroying us.... specially 1/8th of our economy

added to date Bush never presented any credible evidence even after he was in iraq. so we can assume he never found a shred of evidence. and he had the entire military of rightys trying to find it.

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Old 06-16-2012, 10:12 PM
 
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Nationalized healthcare. Entitlement society. Unprecedented expansion of government. A massive debt and deficit. I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions from that.
Last time I looked at the charts, government has historically expanded under conservatives.

Last time I looked, statistically conservative presidents are more likely to increase the debt.

Recent articles have pointed out conservative states sure love the entitlements at a higher rate.

You talking about affordable healthcare? Cause we sure don't have that today...
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