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Old 06-19-2012, 06:28 PM
 
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I say that people should not be rushing to judgment on flimsy information - I'm not so sure that is true of you.

What does she "deserve"?
I never said she had anything, I don't know if she hand intent to go in that house to crap, to pee, to sleep, to find another beer, to puke, or whatever, whatever she was doing she had "intent" whether it was to harm, pee, crap, find another beer, pass out, find someone to screw....she had intent, good or bad....

She deserves what ever the judge say, if he says you got shot, that's your lesson then so be it, if the judge says you have probation then so be it, if the judge says you go to jail then so be it.

You are basing your argument off of "she was drunk and that is her excuse why she walked into that house."
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:32 PM
 
Location: White House, TN
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She wasn't posing a deadly threat. I'd rather a few people that made a mistake and fired on an unarmed intruder go to prison than people get away with aggravated assault and murder.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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- If I were a judge I would send her home with a lecture.... because she is white and looks healthy..after all girls will be girls I would say- and then I would sentence every last black person to fifty years of hard labor- joking- seriously the girl is not going to do time for staggering into someone house- unless she has a history of doing so
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:33 PM
 
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She wasn't posing a deadly threat. I'd rather a few people that made a mistake and fired on an unarmed intruder go to prison than people get away with aggravated assault and murder.
We don't know that.....
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You are basing your argument off of "she was drunk and that is her excuse why she walked into that house."
OK - so we both agree that the intent is unknown - yet I am not allowed to have an opinion?

My opinion is that if she walked into the house by mistake because she was drunk - then she should not be charged with something like criminal tresspass.

It seems that you are assuming(again) that I think I have all the facts. I don't and I know that. I am having an academic discussion - and part of doing that is to explore possibilities. If she did enter with criminal intent - then of course she should be charged with such a crime. Do you think I ever said otherwise?

So - now that we understand where both are coming from - what is your opinion based on what you think actually happened. Did she have other intentions besides making a stupid mistake - if so what might those intentions be and what would cause you to think that?

I think that I am stronger ground with an accidental mistake due to intoxication hypothesis.

Maybe you are trying too hard to find an argument where there is none.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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We don't know that.....
Correction - the homeowners didn't know that - that is why they were justified in taking potentially deadly action.

We certainly do know now that she was not a deadly threat - hindsight is great.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:43 PM
 
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OK - so we both agree that the intent is unknown - yet I am not allowed to have an opinion?
The "intent" was she was so drunk that she thought it was her friend's house.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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The "intent" was she was so drunk that she thought it was her friend's house.
I am pretty sure that is likely so - but chuck seems bent on finding some other intent - and justifying putting her in jail.

I am curious as to what that other intention might be.
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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If the homeowners were as bloodthirsty as some here make them out to be then they would have fired again to finish the job. If they did this, then yes, lock them up. But they didn't. They gave verbal warnings to whomever was in their home before shooting. A home invasion at 3 am could potentially lead to the deaths of all inside the home. They didn't just grab a gun and start firing. They gave warnings. Then once the girl was shot, instead of finishing her off, they called 911 for police and ambulance. The fact that she is a girl and lily white should not have any bearing on her punishment. All that should matter is criminal history (if any), criminal intent or lack of, time already spent in jail, and possibly the gunshot wound. Based upon what I've read in the article, I don't feel she deserves prison. I feel she deserves some city jail time, alcohol/drug counseling, and parole.
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Old 06-19-2012, 07:00 PM
 
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OK - so we both agree that the intent is unknown - yet I am not allowed to have an opinion?

My opinion is that if she walked into the house by mistake because she was drunk - then she should not be charged with something like criminal tresspass.

It seems that you are assuming(again) that I think I have all the facts. I don't and I know that. I am having an academic discussion - and part of doing that is to explore possibilities. If she did enter with criminal intent - then of course she should be charged with such a crime. Do you think I ever said otherwise?

So - now that we understand where both are coming from - what is your opinion based on what you think actually happened. Did she have other intentions besides making a stupid mistake - if so what might those intentions be and what would cause you to think that?

I think that I am stronger ground with an accidental mistake due to intoxication hypothesis.

Maybe you are trying too hard to find an argument where there is none.
I think we were saying the same thing just different ways.

Everyone has an opinion, just as everyone else does.

I really have no opinion, and you maybe right, she may have been just a drunk, stumbled in the wrong house....assuming that was her house......that's your opinion.....

I say, I don't know why she went in there, that's my opinion.

Did she deserve to get shot, not for me to judge.

Could she have deserved to get shot, not for me to judge, but I'm not ruling it out.
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