Girl shot while drunkenly trespassing could serve time (assault, family, America)

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by Harrier

I am pretty sure that is likely so - but chuck seems bent on finding some other intent - and justifying putting her in jail.

I am curious as to what that other intention might be.

Wow, so now, you are pretty sure, even though you don't have all the facts.

And you said you

Originally Posted by Harrier

and part of doing that is to explore possibilities.

So, you exploring all the possibilities excludes the possibility of her possibly having any type of intent.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Correction - the homeowners didn't know that - that is why they were justified in taking potentially deadly action.

We certainly do know now that she was not a deadly threat - hindsight is great.

Did I miss something? Is there a news article to back up your claim?

[wawa1992]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Correction - the homeowners didn't know that - that is why they were justified in taking potentially deadly action.

We certainly do know now that she was not a deadly threat - hindsight is great.

A mistake, yes. But Zoey's family needs justice. 3 years in prison seems reasonable to me for the homeowners.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

Wow, so now, you are pretty sure, even though you don't have all the facts.

And you said you



So, you exploring all the possibilities excludes the possibility of her possibly having any type of intent.

Yes - I have an opinion on what occurred - and I am pretty sure that is how things went down.

I am certainly willing to explore other intentions - but I don't know what those might be - given the facts that we have.

Maybe you could enlighten me and others with your opinion.

[Oleg Bach]

Okay lets go old school- If some drunken girl or man staggered into my entrance..I would approach the person say " Hey you are really drunk"- then I would gently turn them around and give them a gentle push out the door - and lock it. That's the way it used to be done- no guns- no cops and no courts.

People were not terrified of everything that moved nor would they leap out of their beds with every bump in the night. This reminds me of that itchy fingered Zimmerman...You give the guy a law that protects him from prosecution in these situations ...people who are nuts or just plain mean water at the mouth in the hope of trying out that new Glock.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Yes - I have an opinion on what occurred - and I am pretty sure that is how things went down.

I am certainly willing to explore other intentions - but I don't know what those might be - given the facts that we have.

Maybe you could enlighten me and others with your opinion.

I have answered your opinion question, go back and read.

So, you went from we don't know, to "I'm pretty sure."

O.K., have a good night.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by wawa1992

A mistake, yes. But Zoey's family needs justice. 3 years in prison seems reasonable to me for the homeowners.

Justice?

What crime did the homeowners commit?

"Families" don't get justice - society does. And society can only require justice if a codified statute was violated.

Three years in prison? You don't understand how our criminal justice system operates, apparently. You are operating on emotion - not reason.

[Vic 2.0]

Originally Posted by cruxan

do you think this girl should do jail time???

Not at all. What's jail going to do but teach her how to commit crimes while sober?

A drunk girl actually stumbled through my door when I was in the AF (No, this is not the first half of a tasteless joke). As punishment, she was escorted to her room by yours truly.

[chucksnee]

Originally Posted by Oleg Bach

Okay lets go old school- If some drunken girl or man staggered into my entrance..I would approach the person say " Hey you are really drunk"- then I would gently turn them around and give them a gentle push out the door - and lock it. That's the way it used to be done- no guns- no cops and no courts.

People were not terrified of everything that moved nor would they leap out of their beds with every bump in the night. This reminds me of that itchy fingered Zimmerman...You give the guy a law that protects him from prosecution in these situations ...people who are nuts or just plain mean water at the mouth in the hope of trying out that new Glock.

If this would have been a drunk guy, everyone would be saying he deserved it.....he should have known better....

[wawa1992]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Justice?

What crime did the homeowners commit?

"Families" don't get justice - society does. And society can only require justice if a codified statute was violated.

Three years in prison? You don't understand how our criminal justice system operates, apparently. You are operating on emotion - not reason.

Being paranoid and trigger-happy.