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Granted, I understand your stance and everything; however, it's absolutely false that people are born gay.
Case in point (this is just one that I personally know of): one of my best friends is a lesbian. She has been one for the past 6 years ever since the age of 20. Before she started dating and sleeping with other women, she for the longest time dated guys - during high school and briefly thereafter. Now she's embraced her sexuality of being gay and I don't even look at her as a lesbian whatsoever - she's just my best friend.
Are there cases that could help bolster your view? Yes, of course; however, the same can be said for me as I just demonstrated.
well obviously some people are born gay since you're talking to one who was right now.
1. never experienced being straight
2. never even met any gay people until i was in college, yet i've known i was gay since at least a couple of years before puberty (which is for all intents and purposes about as far back as i can remember)
3. never molested
4. parents and brother and sister all straight, parents still married
5. grew up in a rural area and was the most conservative and religious person in my family, i even have a college degree in religion and was a born again christian
6. never chose to be gay, actually tried to NOT be gay since i was religious which only made things worth.
7, there you have it, you've got a response from someone who was born gay, i'll bet there are others that were too!!
Its kind of hard to "convert" a mental disease...they are born with it...they can't help it.
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Originally Posted by EdwardA
Very true. Maybe the goal of these therapies should concentrate on helping the gays who truly want to change build attractions to women as opposed to erasing their attraction to men.
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Originally Posted by gysmo
sexual perversion is very hard to cure!
Apparently willful stupidity is impossible to 'cure'.
The lust spirit is fed , it is carnal. If one walks in the spirit of God the spirit is stronger than the flesh. If you feed the flesh that is what will win. I speak of fallen man. If one is fallen , natural man, they are opened to lust spirits. If one is born of the spirit of God , the Holy Spirit, the Spiritual man,any spirit can be overcome. To say that God who created us, could not put in a Holy Spirit that is the strength of God to defeat the flesh . But men are carnal and believe the lie , some are left in the carnal state as they want to believe the lie. It is the one who is born of the spirit of God who overcomes the flesh.Christ died for all.. All sins can be defeated as Christ died for all sinners. You are what you believe. To feed the flesh is the world's spirit. To feed on the Spirit of God is God's kingdom which is strength , self control, power and faith to know that the flesh is weak but Jesus is the Overcomer of all.
In the last days many will speak of other christs, they will not follow the true Christ. The true Christ is the overcomer. God is full of power and might. His words will never pass away. This generation is far from God. Many will wax cold toward God and Satan will devour them. Satan can come in like a flood or transition himself into a spirit of light. Should grace abound that sin abound God forbid. God's word says we are to follow him. God is not mocked. He knows who is his children and no man will pluck him out of God's hand. We were born in sin and in a condemned state. It was Jesus Christ who died for all and through him is redemption and sin falls and the Holy Spirit is the overcomer.
Granted, I understand your stance and everything; however, it's absolutely false that people are born gay.
Case in point (this is just one that I personally know of): one of my best friends is a lesbian. She has been one for the past 6 years ever since the age of 20. Before she started dating and sleeping with other women, she for the longest time dated guys - during high school and briefly thereafter. Now she's embraced her sexuality of being gay and I don't even look at her as a lesbian whatsoever - she's just my best friend.
Are there cases that could help bolster your view? Yes, of course; however, the same can be said for me as I just demonstrated.
What does this 'demonstrate?
Perhaps you are not aware that many gay and lesbian people try 'acting' straight and dating people of the opposite sex before they admit to themselves that they are gay? Many even marry people of the opposite sex because they don't want to be gay because of the stigma attached. Doesn't usually turn out well.
No its part of your genetics. You call me a hater when you don't even know my beliefs on homosexuals or homosexuality...interesting. I don't have a problem with homosexual they should be allowed to have sex with who they want and marry if they so choose but I still believe its a disease they are born with and they can't help it. Not hating on anyone here...
It's probably more of an inclination than a disease, kind of like those who have alcoholism inclinations.
The lust spirit is fed , it is carnal. If one walks in the spirit of God the spirit is stronger than the flesh. If you feed the flesh that is what will win. I speak of fallen man. If one is fallen , natural man, they are opened to lust spirits. If one is born of the spirit of God , the Holy Spirit, the Spiritual man,any spirit can be overcome. To say that God who created us, could not put in a Holy Spirit that is the strength of God to defeat the flesh . But men are carnal and believe the lie , some are left in the carnal state as they want to believe the lie. It is the one who is born of the spirit of God who overcomes the flesh.Christ died for all.. All sins can be defeated as Christ died for all sinners. You are what you believe. To feed the flesh is the world's spirit. To feed on the Spirit of God is God's kingdom which is strength , self control, power and faith to know that the flesh is weak but Jesus is the Overcomer of all.
In the last days many will speak of other christs, they will not follow the true Christ. The true Christ is the overcomer. God is full of power and might. His words will never pass away. This generation is far from God. Many will wax cold toward God and Satan will devour them. Satan can come in like a flood or transition himself into a spirit of light. Should grace abound that sin abound God forbid. God's word says we are to follow him. God is not mocked. He knows who is his children and no man will pluck him out of God's hand. We were born in sin and in a condemned state. It was Jesus Christ who died for all and through him is redemption and sin falls and the Holy Spirit is the overcomer.
When I see uberdelusional theophilia stuff like this, I like to replace the word Satan with Santa. It makes more sense that way.
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