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Old 12-16-2012, 09:32 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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I hunt. I also hike. Recently went on a 13 mile hike on the continental divide trail with my son and had the fortune to harvest some spruce grouse. Had a great time and we get a nice Xmas treat this year for dinner.

Why would you impose your 'vision' of what you find fun or traditional or whatever on me? I find it sickening you would so freely choose to take that lawful activity away from me.

I served and I took an oath to defend the Constitution. I respect and admire those principles more than ever in today's special interest, bought and paid for political world. I am a gleeful independant.

I've shot competitively as a youth and in the military. I have taught firearm safety and marksmanship to my children and other youth. I am a well adjusted, well respected tax paying member of this great society of ours. I would never choose to take away your freedoms and expect the same from my fellow countrymen.

Does that mean I feel everyone deserves or has earned the right to own a firearm? No. It's too easy and the application process is a joke. The self certification process is as idiotic as they come. "are you now or have you ever suffered from mental illness? Yes or No?".... That's plain dumb.

Instead of clamoring to take away my rights- a responsible hunter, shooter, citizen, we should focus on a common sense approach to VIOLENCE CONTROL not GUN CONTROL. We need strictest control to access and transfer of firearms, a system to identify and control people who are mentally deranged and wake up morning and think " today's a good day to kill a bus load of kids". As far as I'm concerned people like that should only have access to a bucket of Playdoh.

Let's figure out the right thing to do as a society to confront the issue, not strip away 'guns'. That's not going ti solve the problem.
Keep them. I'm not planning to take them away. I wouldn't even try to change your mind about what's entertaining, any more than I would try to change a grown man's mind about enjoying pornography. But I still want to try to convince the next generation that playing with weapons that kill is a as uncool as smoking.

Hunting is hunting. Playing, showing off, bragging about "cold dead hands" and "taking out perps" as most of the posters here do just displays something fundamentally wrong about a person's character. You don't like being judged? Too bad. You're the one who loves violence weapons that kill, not me. I'm comfortable with what that says about my character.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:40 AM
 
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For the same reason I have an Audi and a truck: they perform different functions. My wife and I have four vehicles for the two of us. You probably question that as well.

I'm not sure why you think her neighborhood has any bearing on the number of guns she needed. That's just plain silly and funny. Your emotional position is standing in the way of logic.

I own guns - primarily hunting rifles. I purchased a handgun and hated the way it felt. I bought another which I liked better. Years ago we went to Alaska on a hunt. The guide recommended everyone carry a large-caliber revolver. The bears were very active for a couple of years. Revolvers tended to be more reliable in certain conditions according to the guide. So I bought another. My wife kept a small revolver in her car after she was assaulted. She escaped without sexual assault but she was traumatized for several years.

My kids were raised in a home with guns. Mine were always locked in a large safe and were only out as part of a hunting trip or if we went to the range. We weren't gun nuts. They were just a tool. I still raised them to understand and respect them. I was more worried about them running across a gun at a friend's house and not knowing what to do.

My girls didn't show much interest when younger but they were trained in safety. After their mom's trauma they wanted to at least feel like they could protect themselves.

My son enjoyed his .22 for range shooting. Our first hunt together was a great memory and we didn't fire a single round. Just two fathers and two sons in the great California outdoors.

By all accounts we were an affluent family in Palo Alto and we had maybe ten weapons of various types. And they have never hurt a human soul.

Someday soon I will hand them down to my kids. My younger daughter will likely marry her young man and he's an outdoor sort. They are both very liberal.

My son has wanted some family guns since he was a boy - guns that belonged to my grandfather. I will pass them along and let him carry that torch.

People like you who don't understand and respect guns take an emotional approach and position which in my opinion is more dangerous than any gun out there.
It sounds like you have an emotional attachment to guns.

You're right. I don't understand guns, I know nothing about guns, and I never want to. I don't "respect" guns. They are designed to kill---nothing admirable about that.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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I hunt. I also hike. Recently went on a 13 mile hike on the continental divide trail with my son and had the fortune to harvest some spruce grouse. Had a great time and we get a nice Xmas treat this year for dinner.

You harvest grain. You killed the spruce grouse.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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People like you who don't understand and respect guns take an emotional approach and position which in my opinion is more dangerous than any gun out there.

You're right. I can conceive of no reason why human beings should treat weapons that are designed to KILL as toys, collectibles, and a natural part of human life.

Take a damn hike with your kids and teach then how to photograph nature. Why does it have to be a gun? That's just STUPID.

It makes. no. sense. Period.

Just because you've bought into the story sold by the gun manufacturers, the NRA and millions upon millions of people who fantasize about being tough, taking out perps and showing off their toys to their equally delusional friends, doesn't mean that the entire gun worshipping culture is benign.

They're still WEAPONS. Sick people worship weapons. America is very, very sick.

PS. Hand down grandpa's watch. Why teach your children to revere a gun?
"Take a damn hike with your kids and teach then how to photograph nature. Why does it have to be a gun? That's just STUPID."

I think YOUR opinion is stupid.

Do you have ANY idea how many hikers are attacked by wild animals?

Maybe you should do a little research before making a fool of yourself.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:19 AM
 
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"Take a damn hike with your kids and teach then how to photograph nature. Why does it have to be a gun? That's just STUPID."

I think YOUR opinion is stupid.

Do you have ANY idea how many hikers are attacked by wild animals?

Maybe you should do a little research before making a fool of yourself.
do you mean bears?
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Many Americans still think it's 1789...

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Old 12-16-2012, 10:42 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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do you mean bears?
Coyotes took out this one:

Coyotes kill Toronto singer in Cape Breton - Nova Scotia - CBC News
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:44 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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People like you who don't understand and respect guns take an emotional approach and position which in my opinion is more dangerous than any gun out there.

You're right. I can conceive of no reason why human beings should treat weapons that are designed to KILL as toys, collectibles, and a natural part of human life.

Take a damn hike with your kids and teach then how to photograph nature. Why does it have to be a gun? That's just STUPID.

It makes. no. sense. Period.

Just because you've bought into the story sold by the gun manufacturers, the NRA and millions upon millions of people who fantasize about being tough, taking out perps and showing off their toys to their equally delusional friends, doesn't mean that the entire gun worshipping culture is benign.

They're still WEAPONS. Sick people worship weapons. America is very, very sick.

PS. Hand down grandpa's watch. Why teach your children to revere a gun?
It's perfectly natural weapons are a natural part of human life. Our ability to create weapons is the only reason we got out of the trees and became the dominant species on this planet. Humans were prey before that.
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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The second amendment is about keeping the government under control. Over 150 million people were slaughtered by their own governments in the past century. I want ours to have a healthy fear of becoming that brutal.

And as far as hunting, protection against wildlife, etc., goes, not everyone lives in suburbia.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:26 PM
 
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The second amendment being about protection from a tyrannical govt. is just your opinion and nothing more. Why is it that some people in this country have a bizarre idea about the evil govt. doing this or that to them? The Brits,Aussies,Japanese,etc. don`t seem to have this irrational fear.You can be sure that the world`s most powerful military would wipe out the Walmart militia by noon if they wanted to but why would they want to? If we have a tyrannical govt. it would be because we VOTED for a tyrannical govt. That`s what we do here,we vote. They`ll be no watering of some tree of liberty by somebody`s blood.
perhaps you need to read what many of the founding father said about the second amendment. they generally agreed that it was in fact to end a tyrannical government, should one form in the US. as for other countries, understand that they were built on only certain people owning weapons of any kind. for instance in japan only the samurai were allowed weapons, the peasants were not. in europe for the most part only the knights were allowed weapons, again the peasants were not. in this country, from the time of the native americans onward, we had a culture in which everyone was allowed weapons, because we tended to live off the land more than other countries, in regards to taking game animals for food, clothing and shelter.
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