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Old 08-21-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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It's been cited four times now.
A statement with no proof has been cited four times.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Post #46. Go ahead. Click the links. I know you can do it.

The sources are all listed.

I take it you've given up on debating the facts and that's why you're now just spending your time playing dumb and pretending you can't click a link, right?
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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There is not one single citation of ANY government data that supports the 1/4th claim. If you have it, post it.

Clearly, there's no proof that the claim is accurate.
Shameful transparent dodge is shameful and transparent. The Economist is well known for NOT making up facts or data, as is the organization that they cite for the data. If you doubt it, show something that would make an object person question the stats coming from either the Economist or ITEP.

Here: visit ITEP's site yourself and let us know when you find something to lend credibility to the idea that their numbers shouldn't be trusted. http://www.itepnet.org/
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:19 PM
 
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It's become a major talking point among the right wing that supposedly only 50% of the population pays taxes and the other half doesn't pay anything. As is typical, the right wing is lying to you because everyone pays taxes in America and the total tax rate in America is pretty darn flat with virtually everyone paying pretty darn close to the same percentage of income they earn. Sorry wing nuts but income tax isn't the only tax and it only makes up a slice of the total tax picture.

FACTS:



You'll notice that each bracket pays pretty close in percentage points of how much percentage of income they earn. America's taxes are extremely flat when you look at total taxation because EVERYTHING other than income tax is regressive. Don't take my word for it, read this articles from the Economist, the BBC, and NBC News.

Taxes and the rich: Looking at all the taxes | The Economist
BBC News - How Americans view wealth and inequality
Is US income gap wider than you think?- MSN Money

A rather great blog written by an economics professor at the University of California Santa Cruz: Who Rules America: Wealth, Income, and Power

Conservatives don't care about reality. They can't stand poor people or as they regularly call them moochers and takers. Conservatives consider the poor lucky duckies who have it too good.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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I have to admit they've tried pretty hard in this thread to ignore the facts. Even though the graphic in the OP clearly says it is talking about total taxes at all levels of government (Federal, State, and local) they spent a whole page of this thread pretending to be obtuse and only posting Federal level tax data. I have to come to the conclusion that they were doing it deliberately just to ignore facts and attempt to derail the thread.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:44 PM
 
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Post #46. Go ahead. Click the links. I know you can do it.
The links have NO DATA that supports the 1/4th claim.
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The sources are all listed.
The sources DO NOT state the 1/4th claim.
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I take it you've given up on debating the facts...
I haven't. YOU have. You've posted NO DATA that supports the supposed claim you posted.

Repeating something you read somewhere doesn't necessarily make it true. Post the proof.
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Old 08-21-2012, 04:46 PM
 
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Shameful transparent dodge is shameful and transparent. The Economist is well known for NOT making up facts or data, as is the organization that they cite for the data. If you doubt it, show something that would make an object person question the stats coming from either the Economist or ITEP.
Very different data in this 120+ page report with 6.5 pages of listed cited references:
http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfo...s/docs/wp1.pdf
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:20 PM
 
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There is not different data listed on that pdf. If there is please quote it. Second of all The Tax Foundation report is only looking a FEDERAL level taxes recieved vs FEDERAL spending. Again, I have to question if you are intentionally being obtuse because this has to be the half dozenth time you've made the same mistake. Lastly, The Tax Foundation also is not a government agency so why is it you like their report but don't like the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy when they do very similar work using government data? Double standard much?

So anyway, how about a quote of what you think is important in that report? That way we can actually have a discussion here. I'm particularly interested in hearing about TOTAL TAXATION rates from all levels of government combined. If you want to refute the numbers provided by The Economist and the Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy then you will have to provide some sort of creditable data to do so. That's something you simply have not done yet.
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:35 PM
 
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There is not different data listed on that pdf. If there is please quote it. Second of all The Tax Foundation report is only looking a FEDERAL level taxes recieved vs FEDERAL spending.
Wow. Are you illiterate? You have NO idea what you're talking about.

Two charts from the 120+ page report... Notice how they include all local, state, and federal taxes...



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Old 08-21-2012, 06:07 PM
 
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The Economist also points out that the rich pay more than their fair share of taxes of any type.

So if the rich already pay more than their fair share, who is supposed to pick up the slack?
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