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There is a completely different way of looking at it. Instead of talking about welfare lets talk about what we have here in Ontario Canada which can be referred to as the "Social safety net". Now, this net comprises a lot of other aspects to it than just welfare. By the way it's not called welfare here but, "Workfare" and it's quite different than just sitting at home and recieving a cheque. The social safety net is comprised of many programmes that makes it worthwhile to get a job even if that job is at minimum wage which presently is $10.25 per hour. There are many examples I could talk about but I'll just talk about 3 programmes.
1,child tax credit, All Canadians with children who make under a certain income recieve a cheque every month that is calculated by income and number of children. If you had a minimum wage job and had 4 kids you would get over $1000 a month from that programme. That money comes from the federal government
2, subsidized day care, My wife runs a regional daycare in our home. All of her clients are low wage earners and the regional government pays their daycare costs. Without this programme these moms would most likely be sitting at home collecting welfare. Even if it cost the same which it doesn't, it would still be worthwhile to have these people working. They will continue to work and their kids will be in school eventually and they will not need the programme any more. They will likely never be welfare reciprients and in most cases will have advanced in their jobs and actually become tax payers. This money comes from the regional government
3, benefits a person recieves while on welfare but does not get from a low paying job.
In days gone by a family on welfare might not want to take a job if it did not cover dental and Rx drug costs. This problem has been fixed by allowing welfare cases to continue to recieve public assistence in specific areas while working full time. This encourages people to take a job no matter how low the pay.
This money comes from the provincial government.
I think the secret to successful social assistence is to structure the programme in such a way that it's actually far better to be working than not. By having an extended saftey net you can aviod the plague of working people who actually live way below the poverty line. When working people can not keep body and soul together, that is what makes capitalism look very very bad. Another key measurement of success or lack of it in the social system is, does the system prevent generational welfare cases? The US system is horrible in this regard. Our system that makes it very rewarding to work no matter what the job reduces greatly multigenerational welfare cases.
I hope you can see that these social safety nets are actually a major boon to small business. In a very real way it subsidizes what the biggest costs to such firms are. I have a friend who owns a sheet metal business that employs about a hundred people. Most of his employees own their own homes, drive nice cars and take foreign vacations and they make minimum wage. Because of the safety net they can live a good life and be a very stable workforce for the employer while he only has to pay minimum wage.
The social safety net is comprised of many programmes that makes it worthwhile to get a job even if that job is at minimum wage which presently is $10.25 per hour. There are many examples I could talk about but I'll just talk about 3 programmes.
3, benefits a person recieves while on welfare but does not get from a low paying job.
In days gone by a family on welfare might not want to take a job if it did not cover dental and Rx drug costs. This problem has been fixed by allowing welfare cases to continue to recieve public assistence in specific areas while working full time. This encourages people to take a job no matter how low the pay.
This money comes from the provincial government.
how does this one work - is it for those with children only?
what specific cases are you referring to, because I think one of the main areas that welfare/work need to deal with are the very large numbers of unemployed, single young men.
so what happens when there are no jobs at the same time?
no jobs, no welfare - then what?
There will always be jobs. Anyone is an idiot to believe that welfare helps society in anyway by supporting the weak and lazy. Survival of the fittest. 99% of the poor are there because of stupidity, drug abuse, laziness or mental illness. And 99% of them will never get better so let them get what they have coming to them without my taxes going to support their worthless lives. Conservatives AND DemoRATS live in a fantasy world where they think "welfare" helps these invalids. When most of the time nothing good comes from their existence. The liberal agenda is the main problem and their socialists programs are what is destroying this country. The republicans pander and give the liberals leeway when they should be trying to crush them at any opportunity. The democrats I consider less than human, the terrorists and the enemy and we should treat them as such.
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I would do away with it 100% except for the physically or mentally disabled and a diagnosis of PTSD from your last job held would not fit the criteria of disabled.
I would do away with food stamps, section 8 housing, cash assistance and child care credits. If you can't afford children then I got a novel idea for you.....
Work or starvation would make that minimum wage job look pretty good after a bit.
X number of months welfare doesn't help anyone and hurts tax payers and the economy. It just gives them an excuse to not do jack sh1t for x amount of months until their benefits end. Eliminate welfare completely.
How is that different from workers comp?
Also, instead of income, they should include assets in assessing whether or not someone qualifies.
Before you take money from me to 'survive,' sell all your stuff that you don't need.
Amazing how many welfare types I meet who have some really nice electronics.
There will always be jobs. Anyone is an idiot to believe that welfare helps society in anyway by supporting the weak and lazy. Survival of the fittest. 99% of the poor are there because of stupidity, drug abuse, laziness or mental illness. And 99% of them will never get better so let them get what they have coming to them without my taxes going to support their worthless lives. Conservatives AND DemoRATS live in a fantasy world where they think "welfare" helps these invalids. When most of the time nothing good comes from their existence. The liberal agenda is the main problem and their socialists programs are what is destroying this country. The republicans pander and give the liberals leeway when they should be trying to crush them at any opportunity. The democrats I consider less than human, the terrorists and the enemy and we should treat them as such.
Thank the Lord I don't live in such a country as you discribe and thank God there are very few people in my country who think like you do.
To consider people "Worthless" like you do is just beneath contempt. There really is very little to say about or to someone so hate filled as youself. I seriously suggest you seek help for your mental illness.
so what happens when there are no jobs at the same time?
no jobs, no welfare - then what?
THEN YOU WOULD GET CONDITIONS LIKE WE HAD HERE AND IN THE USA DURING THE DRPRESSION.
Millions of homeless wandering the land. People starving to death. Children dying like flies and the entire fabric of our civilization unravelling.
WE have been there and we didn't like it at all. Both in Canada and the USA the continuation of these conditions would have no doubt ended up in revolution and distruction.
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