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Old 11-21-2012, 02:27 AM
 
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It is amazing really, they are focused on this or that word choice and that is their proof that this was a coverup.

Oh they said it was an attack of opportunity instead of pre planned. He said terror attack instead of terrorist attacks.

It is a continuation of the make believe fantasyland of skewed polls, birthers, President Obama as socialist, radical liberal, etc.
You obviously haven't been paying attention.

The issue isn't 'extremists' vs. 'terrorists'.
Nor 'terror attack' vs. 'terrorist attack'.

It's video vs. al Qaeda. And apparently you are unable to see the difference between the two. But of course, you also think that an attack by AQ would be to Obama's benefit. As you said...keep on believing.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:31 AM
 
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In terms of the cover up, generally speaking a terrorist attack causes the public to rally around our nation's commander in chief. So, it is not very clear that saying it was a pre planned attack versus an attack that occurred at an opportune moment would make much difference.

But you keep on believing.
If you won't see the political difference between a spontaneous protest that spun out of control vs. a premeditated attack by terrorists, you're just being a stubborn Obama fanatic.
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:51 AM
 
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You obviously haven't been paying attention.

The issue isn't 'extremists' vs. 'terrorists'.
Nor 'terror attack' vs. 'terrorist attack'.

It's video vs. al Qaeda. And apparently you are unable to see the difference between the two. But of course, you also think that an attack by AQ would be to Obama's benefit. As you said...keep on believing.
First, let's establish reality, the video was not directly blamed for the attack in Libya. The initial assessment on Libya was that those protests were inspired by the violent protests in Cairo.

Secondly, even if it is blaming a video versus blaming al qaeda, are you saying that al qaeda was behind all of those protests around the world? Or are they behind only the attacks in Libya?

Again, you have to remember there were a bunch of violent protests that day. Only one of them is alleged to involve some group that claims the name al qaeda.

Literally, it makes no difference if they blamed a video initially and later blamed Al qaeda.

Seriously, it is all in your head. Just like the belief that President Obama is going to lose in a landslide. Just like the belief that he is a socialist. Just like the belief that he is a muslim. Just like the belief there is rampant voter fraud and President Obama stole the election. Just like the belief that the President is anti-capitalist. Just like the belief that his healthcare law contains death panels. Just like the belief that he is coming after our guns. Just like the belief that he is building his own army. Just like the belief that fast and furious was the government running guns, so there'd be increased violence in Mexico, so they could push gun control in this nation, Just like the belief that he wants people to be dependent on the government. Just like the belief that he hates this nation.

All of these beliefs are disproven by reality and yet conservatives believe most of those things.

The tragedy in Libya is yet another thing that conservatives believe that has no basis in reality.
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Old 11-21-2012, 06:03 AM
 
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If you won't see the political difference between a spontaneous protest that spun out of control vs. a premeditated attack by terrorists, you're just being a stubborn Obama fanatic.
In terms of the American electorate or the press, there is no difference between saying some group saw an opportunity that was brought on by protests to then wage an attack against the consulate versus there was a group who planned to attack the consulate and did so on 9/11.

In the first scenario the public and the press is told that some group wanted to attack the consulate and were planning to do so and saw the opportunity to do it because of the protests.
In the other scenario other the public and the press is told that some group wanted to attack the consulate and planned to do it that day.
See in the reality based world it makes no difference which story is told.

Basically the same questions are asked. The same problems are exposed.

It is a distinction only in the minds of conservatives who are still in full fantasyland mode, despite just being fooled about who was going to win the election by the very same voices that are pushing this Libya fantasyland stuff.

That the administration said it was extremists vs al qaeda. They said it was an attack of opportunity instead of planned. Makes no difference either way.

Keep on believing though.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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In terms of the American electorate or the press, there is no difference between saying some group saw an opportunity that was brought on by protests to then wage an attack against the consulate versus there was a group who planned to attack the consulate and did so on 9/11.

In the first scenario the public and the press is told that some group wanted to attack the consulate and were planning to do so and saw the opportunity to do it because of the protests.
In the other scenario other the public and the press is told that some group wanted to attack the consulate and planned to do it that day.
See in the reality based world it makes no difference which story is told.

Basically the same questions are asked. The same problems are exposed.

It is a distinction only in the minds of conservatives who are still in full fantasyland mode, despite just being fooled about who was going to win the election by the very same voices that are pushing this Libya fantasyland stuff.

That the administration said it was extremists vs al qaeda. They said it was an attack of opportunity instead of planned. Makes no difference either way.

Keep on believing though.
OK, I put on my Obama 2016 button and see the light.

A bunch of Benghazians were watching CNN and listening to the radio, the Cairo protests came on, with nothing better to do, they took to the streets. A few of those folks, or some extremist folks who heard the demonstrators, got their weapons and attacked the consulate, and with extra ammo and an adreniline rush, the annex as well.

I now see that the preceding requests for added security were in anticipation of a spontaneous protest caused by protests in Cairo. I will understand that 'extremist' and 'terrorist' are synonymous. That protests in Cairo will cause protests in Benghazi.

So much more about this spinning out of control incident has become evident. Obama 2016 buttons do wonders.
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Old 11-21-2012, 07:45 AM
 
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It's time to move on folks. The only reason this issue has gotten this much attention is because McCain is trying to milk the last little bet of glory he can out of his Senate Armed Services Committee seat that he's losing to term limits in January.

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Former CIA Director Petraeus told lawmakers last Friday there were multiple streams of intelligence, some that indicated Ansar al Sharia was behind the attack, according to an official with knowledge of the situation. But other intelligence indicated the violence at the Benghazi mission was inspired by protests in Egypt over the anti Muslim video. Rep. Adam Schiff, D-California, told CNN on Monday that Petraeus explained why the talking points were changed. "Gen. Petraeus made it clear that that change was made to protect classified sources of information, not to spin it, not to politicize it and it wasn't done at the direction of the white house. That really ought to be the end of it..."
Official: Changes to Benghazi talking points made by intel community – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs













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Old 11-21-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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Your President stood and lied to your faces about this, four Americans are dead, and you're all OK with these actions.

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I do believe the admin misled the public about what happened in Benghazi for political purposes.

The lies were told AFTER the Ambassador was killed. Not before. The lies had nothing to do with the event and why it happened, they were just spin.

This is the part you guys just can't seem to get through your skulls.... You keep trying to make it seem that the Presidents lies LED to someones death. And, as usual with screaming hyperbolic right wing media obsessed morons, you are completely wrong ....or lying to try to win your own political game.

Get it yet?
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:13 AM
 
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[quote=dman72;27040524][quote=kevcrawford;27032804]
Your President stood and lied to your faces about this, four Americans are dead, and you're all OK with these actions.

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I do believe the admin misled the public about what happened in Benghazi for political purposes.

The lies were told AFTER the Ambassador was killed. Not before. The lies had nothing to do with the event and why it happened, they were just spin.

This is the part you guys just can't seem to get through your skulls.... You keep trying to make it seem that the Presidents lies LED to someones death. And, as usual with screaming hyperbolic right wing media obsessed morons, you are completely wrong ....or lying to try to win your own political game.

Get it yet?
Who sent the Ambassador to Benghazi with light security detail?
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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It's time to move on folks. The only reason this issue has gotten this much attention is because McCain is trying to milk the last little bet of glory he can out of his Senate Armed Services Committee seat that he's losing to term limits in January.

Official: Changes to Benghazi talking points made by intel community – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs













Exactly. Even though what really happened in Benghazi was getting attention from day 1, before McCain opened his yap, McCain is why it's still getting attention. The media and questioners of who did what and when hang on McCain's every word. Obama 2016 !!!
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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It's time to move on folks. The only reason this issue has gotten this much attention is because McCain is trying to milk the last little bet of glory he can out of his Senate Armed Services Committee seat that he's losing to term limits in January.
Oh, I get it now. It's all McCain's fault four Americans died in Benghazi and the WH has obviously participated in a massive cover-up of the facts before the election.

Who are you going to blame next?
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