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Old 12-16-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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The NRA spent over $2 million on lobbying in 2012 alone. They care a great deal.
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What type of restrictions would prevent someone from stealing someone else's weapons and using them ?
How can you "restrict" that ?
He killed his mother and took her guns. There is no law you can put in place to prevent a situation like that.

In the case of Holmes, he legally bought all those guns and had no history to indicate they should not have been sold to him. And that guy boobie trapped his apartment as well. And he was just another normal joe up to that point.

Our laws already prevent those with a verified record of crime, etc. from buying guns.
But how do you prevent someone who has a normal past but violent intentions from buying guns ?

It's the violent intentions that you want to legislate but you can't.
As I said: nothing will change.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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At this time, no gun legislation will be passed through congress.. The only way it will happen is through legislative fiat.. If it is, then it will be challenged in court. Few congressmen or senators are willing to give up their job over this legislation.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And somehow, Britain is a much, much safer nation than we are by any homicide measure. That is really strange, isn't it...
And you think it's due to gun restrictions ?

Mexico has tougher restrictions than us but higher crime and their mass murders are decapitations.
China has tougher restrictions than us and their mass murders are knife slashings.
The ME has tough restrictions than us and they have suicide bombers committing mass murders.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Mexico is a third-world country. The U.S. isn't...

or are we?

Every other rich Western country has lower murder rates than we do. Even China's is only 1/4th as high.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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Some are ok with mass murders as long as guns are not involved I guess. Instead of addressing the problem of why people do this they think taking what they do it with away will solve the problem. It won't.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Some are ok with mass murders as long as guns are not involved I guess. Instead of addressing the problem of why people do this they think taking what they do it with away will solve the problem. It won't.
And some care less about mass murders than about the preservation of their right to own weapons of mass murder.
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Mexico is a third-world country. The U.S. isn't...

or are we?

Every other rich Western country has lower murder rates than we do. Even China's is only 1/4th as high.
Sweden has similar laws to ours and less restrictions.. They have more guns per capita than any nation and yet their gun fatality rate is low.. It's not about guns... It's about a mentallity..
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Some are ok with mass murders as long as guns are not involved I guess. Instead of addressing the problem of why people do this they think taking what they do it with away will solve the problem. It won't.
And yet they have largely solved it in the rest of the developed world. Strange. I wonder why they have been able to and we haven't?
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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Sweden has similar laws to ours and less restrictions.. They have more guns per capita than any nation and yet their gun fatality rate is low.. It's not about guns... It's about a mentallity..
Where are you getting that information? According to this, the U.S. has almost three times the number of guns per capita compared to Sweden.

Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And how are you going to change the "mentality" of the U.S.? Please don't say something trite like, "Parents need to teach their kids that killing is wrong."
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:15 PM
 
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Some are ok with mass murders as long as guns are not involved I guess. Instead of addressing the problem of why people do this they think taking what they do it with away will solve the problem. It won't.
The problem is that gun lovers refuse to admit that there IS a problem with gun ownership in this country, despite the obscene number of deaths by firearms every year.
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