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Old 12-17-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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He was a Senator, who obviously has far more influence than a 'community organizer'.
Yep. Open and concealed carry were illegal in the state of Illinois during Obama's tenure as an Illinois state senator. How did that work out?
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The news media should regularly give the death count due to gun deaths to remind us how bad things are, just like it did for the Vietnam war.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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I stopped reading the opinion piece after I read that Chicago is more dangerous than Afghanistan. Give me some hard data some some article written by a hack.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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I stopped reading the opinion piece after I read that Chicago is more dangerous than Afghanistan. Give me some hard data some some article written by a hack.
Liberals choose to be uninformed. Not surprising.

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Chicago has the highest murder rate -- higher even than the Third World metropolises of Mexico City and Sao Paolo. Here’s how we rank in murders per 100,000 among cities we consider our peers, based on a projected murder total of 505 for this year.
Singapore 0.4
Tokyo 0.5
Hong Kong 0.6
Berlin 1.0
Sydney 1.0
London 1.4
Toronto 1.7
Amsterdam 1.8
Paris 4.4
New York 6.0
Los Angeles 7.5
Mexico City 8.0
Moscow 9.6
Sao Paulo 15.6
Chicago 19.4
Opinion: The Deadliest Global City | NBC Chicago


Bloody Chicago: 19 people gunned down in one night; 13 in 30 min
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Perhaps, the people who "escape" are not mired in poverty. Also, I'm sure, some of them have family and/or friends who are professionals. Since they have some sort of exposure to another way of life, they know that they can do better, and they strive to do so.

But the fact remains, the ghetto is not just a physical existence, apparently, it's a mental one as well. Many people who reside in the worst parts of Chicago are there, because that's their existence in a nutshell. The better life over the rainbow is simply not part of the paradigm.
Yes, I agree, and the bolded sentence was a good way to state it. My questions were not meant to have an easy, trite little answer but rather to be thrown out there for thought and ideas.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Chicago murder rate is #18 in US cities, even Kansas City is worse, and I checked the Top-50 in the world, and Chicago did not make it on the list. It might have been #1 in US before the gun ban went into effect, but since murders have been cut in half, it is not near the top anymore.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yep. Open and concealed carry were illegal in the state of Illinois during Obama's tenure as an Illinois state senator. How did that work out?
Like I said (twice) the murder rate dropped by 40% while he was in office there. It has dropped by more than 50% since the ban went into effect. If you are against bans, then you should stop talking about Chicago, where the murder rate has fallen by 50%. It's not helping your cause.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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Chicago with 19 per 100K is worse then New Orleans with 72 per 100K.......really? Or San Pedro Sula with 160 per 100K....Really?
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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Chicago murder rate is #18 in US cities, even Kansas City is worse, and I checked the Top-50 in the world, and Chicago did not make it on the list.
Apples to oranges? That's misleading.

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Here’s how we rank in murders per 100,000 among cities we consider our peers, based on a projected murder total of 505 for this year.
Singapore 0.4
Tokyo 0.5
Hong Kong 0.6
Berlin 1.0
Sydney 1.0
London 1.4
Toronto 1.7
Amsterdam 1.8
Paris 4.4
New York 6.0
Los Angeles 7.5
Mexico City 8.0
Moscow 9.6
Sao Paulo 15.6
Chicago 19.4
The Deadliest Global City | NBC Chicago
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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It's great if the mentorship comes directly from the community, but anyone who is committed to assisting a child or young adult can serve as a mentor, irrespective of race, gender, religion or educational level.

In truth, I don't understand how any parent can willingly abandon their own flesh and blood, but I imagine that it's relatively easy for a person to do so, if they were abandoned as well. It's much easier to continue the cycle, and far more difficult to break it.
Many of these boys and young men who are in gangs have dedicated mothers. I think it's positive male mentorship they're lacking. They get support, mentoring, and a sense of belonging from the gang.
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