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Even after selecting the cheapest plan with the highest deductibles, my premiums are up 82% over last year. That's to pay for all of the ObamaCare mandates, taxes and fees.
But he doesn't care... we pay for HIS health care too.
My healthcare costs have been rising steadily since the 1990's. I don't see where the increases have grown any more severe since Obamacare.
You will note that the talking points before passage was cost reduction, ie lower premiums, lower deductible, saving to everyone. After passage they dropped those talking points. It is clear that this was not a savings in any manner, not with the major bureaucracy and multiple agencies created in Washington to oversee this. Just wait, as Pelosi said, and you will see what is in store for you.
I actually liked Pelosi treating the incapable congresspersons as they deserved to be treated: if you can't read and comprehend, just learn as we move along.
About 40% of total health care costs, $1 Trillion/year, in this country is covered by the government. Also worth noting, per a KFF study (IIRC), is that ER visits result in $200 billion/year in waste as only a fraction of the costs is paid for, the rest shows up in higher prices/premiums and costs to the governments. Why is that not an issue? In fact, it is central to my acceptance of the conservative proposal of mandated health insurance from 1989 (link presented earlier in this thread) that Obama accepted as a compromise.
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So when you do not agree with the facts he/she gave attack the messenger
I actually liked Pelosi treating the incapable congresspersons as they deserved to be treated: if you can't read and comprehend, just learn as we move along.
About 40% of total health care costs, $1 Trillion/year, in this country is covered by the government. Also worth noting, per a KFF study (IIRC), is that ER visits result in $200 billion/year in waste as only a fraction of the costs is paid for, the rest shows up in higher prices/premiums and costs to the governments. Why is that not an issue? In fact, it is central to my acceptance of the conservative proposal of mandated health insurance from 1989 (link presented earlier in this thread) that Obama accepted as a compromise.
I don't assume ignorance of facts as facts.
You deny the facts he gave. You are not ignorant of what he said happened to him. Instead you attack his character
You deny the facts he gave. You are not ignorant of what he said happened to him. Instead you attack his character
1-I attacked his ideas.
2-I have also attacked your comprehension.
3-I will keep attacking lame arguments that fail at a very basic premise: facts. It seems you don't know this either that when you're a part of a group plan, you may be paying a fraction towards it, the rest covered by the employer. It is why you won't see me make counter claims that my health insurance premiums have dropped by $48/month for the same coverage. I would, if I were ignorant of the fact that my contribution towards the plan does not represent my health insurance premium, just a small fraction of it.
Even after selecting the cheapest plan with the highest deductibles, my premiums are up 82% over last year. That's to pay for all of the ObamaCare mandates, taxes and fees.
But he doesn't care... we pay for HIS health care too.
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
1-I attacked his ideas.
2-I have also attacked your comprehension.
3-I will keep attacking lame arguments that fail at a very basic premise: facts. It seems you don't know this either that when you're a part of a group plan, you may be paying a fraction towards it, the rest covered by the employer. It is why you won't see me make counter claims that my health insurance premiums have dropped by $48/month for the same coverage. I would, if I were ignorant of the fact that my contribution towards the plan does not represent my health insurance premium, just a small fraction of it.
1) since the OP said after selecting the cheapest plan with the highest deductible his premiums are up 82%
2) more thna likely that means hie is not on a group plan ,unless he is running an HR deptartment and had to make a choice for everyone in his company on a group plan.
3) If he is on an individual plan than comparing premiums to your group plan is not comparable.
4) if he is in charge of finding a group plan then I am sure he would know how much his premiums for his company went up
5)If he is on an individual plan i feel he would know what his premiums went up
I woudl not call him ignorant of his own facts as you choose to do
6) I would not attack your comprehension as you so so mine as that would still be a personal attack that does not advance any discussion
1) since the OP said after selecting the cheapest plan with the highest deductible his premiums are up 82%
Obviously, he doesn't know the cost of his health insurance premium.
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2) more thna likely that means hie is not on a group plan ,unless he is running an HR deptartment and had to make a choice for everyone in his company on a group plan.
You can read and comprehend simple statements, right?
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went from $66 to $120 every two weeks. No additions. Same deductible. It's group insurance, so they don't know who smokes or drinks.
BTW, all this talk about an average 4% increase in premiums last year, refers only to groups insurance and not individual (which the self-employed rely on for coverage).
Group plans are the norm, covering most Americans. Self employed often rely on spouses covered under group plans.
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