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I would argue that it is the gun grabers that have turned this nation into a gun obsessed nation.
The rest of us were going along quite nicely until you and yours got all bent out of shape and wont shut up about it.
Endless gun injuries? really because the actual statistics show that murder rates and gun injuries are DOWN of late. 2011 the last year we have data from show 12664 murders. the lowest number in the last 5 years. I beleive the number has been falling since the end of the Assault Weapons ban expiration.
Gun injury and death goes up and down, but the fact is that compared with other advanced nations, we have a per capita rate of gun death and injury that knows no parallels.
Gun injury and death goes up and down, but the fact is that compared with other advanced nations, we have a per capita rate of gun death and injury that knows no parallels.
The problem is criminals, and they way our society treats them. Our society and judicial system wrings it hands and tells all these criminals that they are the victims, and it's our unfair society that let them down. If they are sociopaths, or simply normal, energetic little boys, we pump them full of drugs and send them on their way.
A chair isn't designed to murder. A chair will at least give you a chance to live. Guns are for killing. They have no other purpose. They are not flower vases, and they are not for sitting on.
There are criminals, but if you PROVIDE LETHAL, KILLING WEAPONS, you are creating a gun culture which has 300,000,000 guns and gun crime and gun death per capita that has no other comparison in any other advanced nation.
if u miss its the best thing that ever happened to you. now u are not going to be in court with him next month and u probably will keep your house. there are 2 assaults when he breaks in and when he comes back with his lawyer.
Gun injury and death goes up and down, but the fact is that compared with other advanced nations, we have a per capita rate of gun death and injury that knows no parallels.
And we will ALWAYS possess more firearms than other countries. ALWAYS.
A chair isn't designed to murder. A chair will at least give you a chance to live. Guns are for killing. They have no other purpose. They are not flower vases, and they are not for sitting on.
There are criminals, but if you PROVIDE LETHAL, KILLING WEAPONS, you are creating a gun culture which has 300,000,000 guns and gun crime and gun death per capita that has no other comparison in any other advanced nation.
My guns have not killed a single thing, however they are shot very often....and no, it's not because I'm a bad shot, it because I shoot paper.....
Amazing how little you really know....well, not really....
There are criminals, but if you PROVIDE LETHAL, KILLING WEAPONS, you are creating a gun culture which has 300,000,000 guns and gun crime and gun death per capita that has no other comparison in any other advanced nation.
If the criminals having guns is what creates the gun culture as you say, why the focus on limiting the gun access by those that follow the law instead of focusing on the criminals? Again, most gun crimes are committed by guns obtained illegally or on the black market. You say you're concerned about criminals having guns - good, me too. Given that they don't get them in ways that would be effected by the proposed laws, would you support a program like stop and frisk for repeat offenders since it would directly target criminals with guns - which, as you say, creates "a gun culture which has 300,000,000 guns and gun crime and gun death per capita that has no other comparison in any other advanced nation?"
If the criminals having guns is what creates the gun culture as you say, why the focus on limiting the gun access by those that follow the law instead of focusing on the criminals? Again, most gun crimes are committed by guns obtained illegally or on the black market. You say you're concerned about criminals having guns - good, me too. Given that they don't get them in ways that would be effected by the proposed laws, would you support a program like stop and frisk for repeat offenders since it would directly target criminals with guns - which, as you say, creates "a gun culture which has 300,000,000 guns and gun crime and gun death per capita that has no other comparison in any other advanced nation?"
For many reasons:
1) A gun criminal is not a gun criminal before he shoots someone. Prior to becoming a gun criminal, he's just someone
2) Because there is no gun control here. Even gangs can get guns easily because there is no gun control to speak of. Yet every time gun control is suggested, the gun fondlers pee their diapers.
Two years ago James M. Ryan was one of the 270,000 Americans with a Federal firearms license. The easy-to-obtain $30 license is good for three years and allows the person to buy and sell guns across state lines. The license holders are also subject to state and local laws, but some, like Mr. Ryan, use their Federal license to obtain weapons and then sell them illegally.
He had traveled the Midwest buying weapons from gun shops. He took them back to Chicago, where most handgun sales are illegal, and sold the guns in alleys and parking lots. He was tracked down after three pistols recovered in a gang shooting were traced to his home business in the Englewood section of the South Side, the neighborhood with the most homicides in the city last year. 600 Guns From One Man
Just before Thanksgiving two years ago, Mr. Ryan pleaded guilty in Federal court to selling guns illegally to undercover agents and was sentenced to four years in prison. The serial numbers on several guns he sold had been obliterated, and the required paper records were rarely filed. The authorities say that before Mr. Ryan came to their attention he sold as many as 600 guns to street gang members and others.
"The vast majority of licensees are honest," said Jerry Singer, a spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Chicago. "But even though the percentage might be small, the bad ones can put a lot of firearms out on the street. They can cause a lot of damage. We'll be feeling the impact of Mr. Ryan for some time to come." How Criminals Get Guns: In Short, All Too Easily - New York Times
1) A gun criminal is not a gun criminal before he shoots someone. Prior to becoming a gun criminal, he's just someone
That's why I specified for repeat offenders.
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2) Because there is no gun control here. Even gangs can get guns easily because there is no gun control to speak of. Yet every time gun control is suggested, the gun fondlers pee their diapers.
They will still be able to get guns. They have no problem getting drugs that cross the southern border do they? This would simply give cartels another product line.
I'm simply suggesting that we do something that has a chance of being effecitve in reducing crime. You're stuck on the conclusion that as long as someone has a limit on gun purchases that it's effective with no further analysis of whether or not it would actually work.
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Originally Posted by Saritaschihuahua
Two years ago James M. Ryan was one of the 270,000 Americans with a Federal firearms license. The easy-to-obtain $30 license is good for three years and allows the person to buy and sell guns across state lines. The license holders are also subject to state and local laws, but some, like Mr. Ryan, use their Federal license to obtain weapons and then sell them illegally.
He had traveled the Midwest buying weapons from gun shops. He took them back to Chicago, where most handgun sales are illegal, and sold the guns in alleys and parking lots. He was tracked down after three pistols recovered in a gang shooting were traced to his home business in the Englewood section of the South Side, the neighborhood with the most homicides in the city last year. 600 Guns From One Man
Just before Thanksgiving two years ago, Mr. Ryan pleaded guilty in Federal court to selling guns illegally to undercover agents and was sentenced to four years in prison. The serial numbers on several guns he sold had been obliterated, and the required paper records were rarely filed. The authorities say that before Mr. Ryan came to their attention he sold as many as 600 guns to street gang members and others.
"The vast majority of licensees are honest," said Jerry Singer, a spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in Chicago. "But even though the percentage might be small, the bad ones can put a lot of firearms out on the street. They can cause a lot of damage. We'll be feeling the impact of Mr. Ryan for some time to come." How Criminals Get Guns: In Short, All Too Easily - New York Times
Glad he's in jail. Question: if criminals get guns in large numbers through normal means like everyone else (that would be effective by such limits), why was there a market for Mr. Ryan's guns? You've just added further evidence that they get them illegally - in this case 600 of them.
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