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Old 02-08-2013, 12:23 PM
 
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How can they not find jobs? Obama's job council was supposed to fix all that. Oh wait that was ended Jan 31st right after he was sworn in. LOL

Yes the useful idiots are many just like tyrants like to see. Will they ever wake up? I doubt it. When they do it will be too late.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:26 PM
 
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Millennials support Obama because of social issues, especially gay marriage. The generation is pretty uniformly pro-gay and has zero tolerance for anything homophobic. If Republicans want to win this generation they have to nominate a candidate who will fight for LGBT rights. Since we are at least a decade away from that being possible, there is little hope that voting patterns among this generation will change. Many of them aren't big fans of Obama's economy, but they like his social agenda and place greater importance to social issues than economic ones.
Why would anyone in their right mind ever vote for social issues over economic?

Who cares what we want to happen socially if we can't find a way to pay for it?
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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I thought plenty hard about it. I made the best choice given the options.


Based on what you've said so far, it's pretty obvious for whom you voted.

So you're saying a failed community organizer was a better choice than a successful businessman?

OK, then.

Enjoy your pathetic little life. With 0boy at the helm, you're going nowhere.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:33 PM
 
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Americas can be so stupid. Do you really think there is that big of difference between Democrat and Republican? No. I live right outside of DC and you can't tell a Republican from a Democrat out here. Both parties are owned by the super-rich. And both parties move towards actions that ultimately hurt the middle and working classes in this country. Under both Bush and Obama, jobs continue to be outsourced and leave the country by the millions. Small businesses, which non-coincidentally employ the majority of Americans, are being regulated to death and put out of businesses by omnipresent global corporations who spend millions of dollars finding ways to brainwash American people to keep giving their money to these socially irresponsible faceless empires instead of buying locally made American products.

The credit crunch and economic downturn that started in December 2007 was only that false life preserver of prosperity deflating. What we are seeing now is the end result of over thirty years of deindustrialization, outsourcing, illegal immigration, rising cost of living coupled with stagnant real wages. In many parts of the country, illegal immigrants have come to dominate all manual labor professions from landscaping to maintenance to construction to fast food to warehouse work. Businesses take advantage of illegal immigrants who will work for less than minimum wage under the table. Tens of thousands of American factories have been shutdown and relocated overseas in the past ten years alone. Once upon a time, going to college was only reserved for the rich and exceptionally intelligent. Everyone used to work at a big factory down the street after they finished high school and would work there until they day they retired. My, how things have changed. In America, we produce none of the cheap plastic trinkets (i.e. smartphones, Air Jordans) that we covet. Not one single cellphone is manufactured in the United States:

19 Facts About The Deindustrialization Of America That Will Make You Weep - Business Insider

Slothful Baby Boomers, who rode a wave of prosperity afforded by their parents' generation, made it socially unacceptable for their middle class raised children to perform manual labor jobs. This opened the door for illegal and legal immigrants to dominate manual labor professions. Baby Boomers told their children "go to college so you don't end up flipping burgers, like a LOSER."

5 Ways We Ruined the Occupy Wall Street Generation | Cracked.com

Millions of kids took this message to heart and did the "right thing" by going in debt to their eyeballs going to college. Going to college would be all well and good if there were a lot of good jobs available for college graduates and if college students actually learned a lot while in school. The sad fact is that there aren't many good jobs available to average college graduates and most college students learn very little while in school. Historically, college has been reserved for the very rich and the very intelligent. It is not a coincidence that these two groups of people are the ones who are most likely to find good jobs immediately after completing college.

College Is Only Good for Helping Rich People Get Richer | Education on GOOD

Colleges and universities took advantage of millions more kids going to college who wouldn't have gone otherwise. As a result, the college curriculum has becoming increasingly dumbed down, colleges have come to resemble country clubs rather places of learning and grade inflation has become the golden standard. Nobody fails out of school anymore. As long as you show up, even stoned or drunk everyday, and half-ass your projects, you can count on that C+ every time. And that C+ is good enough for kids socialized to be slackers who spend their time in school chasing the elusive "college experience" which consists of the often extremely risky life-threatening behaviors of daily binge-drinking and having meaningless with sex with anyone you can just because you can.

The Five-Year Party

More often than not, kids finish college with freshly minted degrees from nationally respected diploma mills with no real skills to speak of and nothing but tens of thousands of dollars in debt plus a new set of terrible living habits like continuing to drink like a 19 year old fratboy despite being well into your late 20's or 30's, sleeping in late every day, overeating and being unemployed. These bad behaviors often become lifelong habits that are incredibly hard for young adults to break. Many college binge drinkers blossom into full-blown alcoholics. Being "overqualified" for unskilled jobs that only require a high school diploma and under-qualified for professional jobs, who much rather hire laid-off career veterans with years of proven experience, leaves many college grads unemployed for months to years on end. It doesn't help that two out of three college graduates carries significant student loan debt that will never go away until every last cent is paid in full.

Study: College Breeds Alcoholism | LiveScience

6 Ways College Will Ruin Your Life - Weird Worm
Valid points. No one can really dispute much of what you pointed out.

However, I fail to see your point. Are you making excuses for Millennials? Is this some sort of semi-educated attempt to tell us that no one can succeed in America anymore?

If so, then I do disagree with you more than I originally thought.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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If anyone is delusional, it's the young folks who fell for the Hope N' Change mantra hook, line, and sinker. And now they're up to their eyeballs in student debt with no job. So why in the hell would they vote AGAIN for the guy who did nothing for them? Afterall, didn't they expect something to come from the Hope N Change they voted for?

LOL

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

LOL
What was he going to do for them that he hasn't done?

Honestly, I don't think it is the president's fault that so many bought into the "go to college and you will be a success" story line. Do you? I imagine that most were already on that trajectory long before any of them could vote.
Did you honestly believe that young people would be drawn to Sen. McCain? What did he offer them?
More opportunities to feed the military industrial complex?

I sometimes wonder when people bemoan the lack of jobs, etc. if they aren't advocating for socialism. After all, how else would the president create jobs? A new WPA? Oh, yeah, that would get through Congress.
Government take-over of the remaining manufacturing sector? Forced retirements?
What?

Corporations have been riding high on the tax-payer gravy train for ever. How many more giveaways should Congress legislate to get them to start hiring again?
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:41 PM
 
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No, we don't want it handed to us. The majority of my peers work very hard, almost harder than some of our parents did in some cases. We are often juggling full time college, unpaid internships, and low paid jobs. Some of us DO want to start businesses, but where do we get start up capital from if our jobs pay so low and in some cases our parents can't even help us financially. I saw a job ad from Capital One for a part time customer service rep. They preferred a COLLEGE DEGREE. The job probably paid no more than $11. A college degree to answer phones?
This is part of the problem. Today's generation feel as if they are ENTITLED to a good paying job simply because they went to college. This is NOT how it works....not now....not ever. While the unsavory position of "answering phones" may not appeal to your entitled mentality, the point is that you get your foot in the door and WORK YOUR WAY UP. How many successful people started in a position that they felt was their only opportuntity to do well? NONE. They started in an unsavory position in order to BUILD a CAREEER or a BUSINESS.

If you want to understand why the Millennial Generation doesn't have much to offer this country, then look no further than your own entitlement mentality.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:41 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Why would anyone in their right mind ever vote for social issues over economic?

Who cares what we want to happen socially if we can't find a way to pay for it?
Why do we have to pick just one issue to vote on. Why not both? I favor Obama on the social issue. On the economy it was pretty much a wash because Mitt never told us what he was going to do.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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What was he going to do for them that he hasn't done?

Honestly, I don't think it is the president's fault that so many bought into the "go to college and you will be a success" story line. Do you? I imagine that most were already on that trajectory long before any of them could vote.
Did you honestly believe that young people would be drawn to Sen. McCain? What did he offer them?
More opportunities to feed the military industrial complex?

I sometimes wonder when people bemoan the lack of jobs, etc. if they aren't advocating for socialism. After all, how else would the president create jobs? A new WPA? Oh, yeah, that would get through Congress.
Government take-over of the remaining manufacturing sector? Forced retirements?
What?

Corporations have been riding high on the tax-payer gravy train for ever. How many more giveaways should Congress legislate to get them to start hiring again?
Your logic is lacking. One can't not put their faith (vote) in Obama because of some sort of predetermined "trajectory" and then turn around and NOT expect something from John McCain for the same reason.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:43 PM
 
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Harvard: Just 6 in 10 Millennials have jobs, half are part-time | WashingtonExaminer.com

Election 2012: Study: Youth vote was decisive - POLITICO.com

LOL

Oops!! That Hope N Changey Thing™ didn't quite work out as planned did it?!!

Elections have consequences. One can only hope that as these idiots move into adulthood with eyes wide open to lying, pandering, inexperienced leftist politicians peddling bull****.
The idiot is the voter who blames the President for their unemployment.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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Why do we have to pick just one issue to vote on. Why not both? I favor Obama on the social issue. On the economy it was pretty much a wash because Mitt never told us what he was going to do.
I agree with you in principle, but we do have a two party system (whether we like it or not).

I think it is somewhat stupid to claim that 'Mitt never told us what he was going to do' when Obama has never laid out an economic plan for a single one of his programs. Neither candidate laid out a path, but Obama was much better at marketing, and people fell for it.

On the economic side of things, we NEED someone like a Romney who would run the country like a business. We do not need someone like Obama who disregards the fiscal constraints that should exist.

On social issues, I agree with the typical liberal agenda in principle, however I don't see what social issues have to do with government. We as individual people have a responsibility to move social issues forward, but a government should not spend money on them.
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