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Old 02-17-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Who?

The kid chose to attempt a break in. Nothing thus far suggests he was armed. The occupant of the home killed him. The local court system will determine the outcome.
If someone breaks into your home while you and your family are in it, how are you going to know if they are armed or not? 15 year olds can have the size and strength of 25 year olds, and very likely are armed.

You simply cannot make a law saying that it's okay for kids under a certain age to break into homes and do whatever they like. You cannot make doing these horrendous crimes safe for the criminal.

You have to look at what caused this kid to do a home invasion. And then address those problems.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Who?

The kid chose to attempt a break in. Nothing thus far suggests he was armed. The occupant of the home killed him. The local court system will determine the outcome.
Suggest you read up on the Castle Doctrine.
The precedent is already in place.

Castle doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:36 AM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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No its not at all. If you send someone to break into a home and a death results you are just as culpable as the one doing the crime. You set it up and helped create the situation that caused the death. Its not any different than if you hired someone to kill your spouse. You may not have pulled the trigger but you are responsible for the situation non the less. You just aren't able to think in abstract thoughts.
I'm perfectly able to think in "abstract" thoughts. I'm saying that law is stupid. One should only be charged with accessory to murder if he helped with the murder. This is just a loophole in the law in attempt to stack a sentence on the 17 year old and hopefully the jury will null it.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Good. I hope he is convicted and does the full time... No Parole, no deals. He gets the whole time and if he repeats an life of crime upon getting out, he get Death with a real death.

These bleeding heart liberals need to see that none of this happens, and to understand their PC experiment has failed.
While Missouri has a death penalty, the state averages about one execution a year for the most vicious crimes like kidnapping, raping and murder of a minor.

In Missouri, judges are presented with a amortized cost matrix, incarceration vs. parole.

Are the people in Missouri willing to pay more state taxes for harsher punishments?

Building new and bigger prisons and staffing them would create many jobs so long as the people are willing to pay for it.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:41 AM
 
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Another story of teens doing a home invasion:

Teens Face Charges In Murder Of Michigan Couple In Missouri « CBS Detroit

The teens – identified by the Springfield News-Leader as 15-year-old Christopher Allen and 16-year-old Anthony Zarro – are accused of killing 70-year-old Paul Brooks and his wife, 69-year-old Margaret Brooks.



The Brooks, who were from Baldwin, Michigan, were found slain Thursday night at their son’s lake house in Lampe, just north of the Missouri-Arkansas state line, where they were seasonal residents. Police haven’t said how the Brooks’ were killed, except that they were not shot.

(Anyone want to guess why this murder didn't make the news?)
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:44 AM
 
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While Missouri has a death penalty, the state averages about one execution a year for the most vicious crimes like kidnapping, raping and murder of a minor.

In Missouri, judges are presented with a amortized cost matrix, incarceration vs. parole.

Are the people in Missouri willing to pay more state taxes for harsher punishments?

Building new and bigger prisons and staffing them would create many jobs so long as the people are willing to pay for it.
Or have jobs for Americans?

There are three fates for the inner city youth -- prison, death, or a job (including military jobs) but the liberals don't want to limit immigration or bring jobs back to the US. Liberals want to cut the military so for more kids that option is out. Without jobs there is no way out.
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Old 02-17-2013, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The problem needs to be addressed at some point before the kid is so addicted to drugs that he will do anything to get money for them.
Like you, I suspect an addiction to hardcore drug is likely at the root of this.
It's a common cause behind a lot of B&E. Such criminals are substantially less likely to be armed, because if they had a weapon, they would have long since sold or traded it for drugs.

Some want to see all drugs legalized because of a belief that addiction hurts no one other than the addict. Reality is,the daily grind of stealing to fund the addiction does not stop with legalization.

The addict is still substantially more likely to prostitute and/or shop lift and/or steal to fund their habit.
The addict's brain has been rewired to protect and sustain their addiction.
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Folks are just tired of a certain segment of the population running amok and committing crimes at an alarming rate and no one is doing anything about it. So sometimes the frustration manifests itself into the posts you see.
Are the people willing to pay more taxes to " do something"?

Are the people willing to amend the constitution to eliminate due process?

Are the people willing to amend the constitution to force sterilization of men and women or a state funded abortion when "society" determines people unfit to parent?

Are the people willing to amend the consitution to require people to demonstrate the financial resources and competency before obtaining a license to reporduce?

Are the people willing to pay more in state taxes to remove all children from their homes forever when society determines the bio parents are unfit to parent?

Are the people willing to pay more to provide one on one social services to teach and monitor all parents?

Are the people willing to pre-schoolpay more to give all children the same opportunity to enroll their children in pre-school and after school programs?

Or is it just easier to blame government?
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Like you, I suspect an addiction to hardcore drug is likely at the root of this.
It's a common cause behind a lot of B&E. Such criminals are substantially less likely to be armed, because if they had a weapon, they would have long since sold or traded it for drugs.

Some want to see all drugs legalized because of a belief that addiction hurts no one other than the addict. Reality is,the daily grind of stealing to fund the addiction does not stop with legalization.

The addict is still substantially more likely to prostitute and/or shop lift and/or steal to fund their habit.
The addict's brain has been rewired to protect and sustain their addiction.
But the mother is claiming he's mentally disabled and was just on his way home from the store.
There's a huge disconnect with denial of reality here.
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Old 02-17-2013, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why would it have to be only military jobs? How about some kind of limit on immigration so that and focus the American dream back on Americans?

With all the money poured into schools and education, it's not about throwing more money at non-solutions.
Right now immigration is a net zero.

First, we have to figure out what to do with those who are already here.
This is no different than the challenges faced during the Reagan era when amnesty was given and promises for improved border patrol which did not happen. And here we are 30 years later.

Follow the money. Business has been hiring undocumented workers for serious decades and undocumented workers are most definitely not limited to Mexicans/Central Americans.

What might that Mc Mansion in The Woodlands, Texas have cost if the many builders has not relied on undocumented workers? And who has benefitted? The builders and the people who bought those houses?

Who has been mowing people's lawns, trimming the shrubs and trees, cleaning homes and offices, cooking the food in the restaurant's kitchens and performing the jobs most Americans consider themselves above doing for a similar wage?
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