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Old 03-07-2013, 07:49 PM
 
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The police had his cell phone...how hard would it have been for them to start calling the numbers in the "outgoing calls" memory until someone told him whose number it was? They could have hitten "redial" and would have reached Dee, who would have certainly told them it was Trayvon's phone.Those should have been common sense acts and easily done; you don't have to be a rocket scientist to use a cell phone. They were negligent at the least. To attempt to blame Trayvon's father is reprehensible...he probably went to bed expecting to find Trayvon home and asleep the next morning...teenage boys (and girls) often hang out later than they're supposed to...God knows that mine did, and he was an honors student and Student Body President. What about LE not testing Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol that night? One would think that doing so would be SOP when dealing with something as serious as a homicide, yes? Zimmerman was no stranger to the officers, between his effort to start a NWA, the numerous times he'd called them, his riding with officers and his desire to be on the force. Martin's parents wanted him arrested because he'd killed their son and there was no clear answer as to why. They deserve to know, although past actions by the Zimmermans collectively seem to indicate that honesty isn't a highly valued characteristic in the family.
I don't know why they didn't test Zimmerman for drugs and alcohol. They did handcuff him and take him to the station and questioned him for 5 hours, so they had some time to observe his demeanor. But it's probably always best to do the test in instances like this.

I can answer why they didn't call Trayvon's cell to tell his parents. When his cell phone was found at the scene, it had a dead battery. And Trayvon had no ID on him, so the police had no way to locate his family that night.

 
Old 03-07-2013, 08:57 PM
 
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I don't know why they didn't test Zimmerman for drugs and alcohol. They did handcuff him and take him to the station and questioned him for 5 hours, so they had some time to observe his demeanor. But it's probably always best to do the test in instances like this.

I can answer why they didn't call Trayvon's cell to tell his parents. When his cell phone was found at the scene, it had a dead battery. And Trayvon had no ID on him, so the police had no way to locate his family that night.
But on video of Zimmerman in the police station, he is seen sauntering around without handcuffs. That's also unusual, and shows his buddy status with the local police.
 
Old 03-07-2013, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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I don't know why they didn't test Zimmerman for drugs and alcohol. They did handcuff him and take him to the station and questioned him for 5 hours, so they had some time to observe his demeanor. But it's probably always best to do the test in instances like this.

I can answer why they didn't call Trayvon's cell to tell his parents. When his cell phone was found at the scene, it had a dead battery. And Trayvon had no ID on him, so the police had no way to locate his family that night.

Thanks for that info, bg. I've had company who forgot their phone chargers and tried either my or my SO's...it's worked once or twice. Perhaps LE could have canvassed the townhouses in that double row
to see if anyone recognized Martin or had anyone missing. The authorities seem to have been rather
cavalier about identifying the body of a teenager in a small town, particularly since homicide isn't a common occurrence.
 
Old 03-07-2013, 09:10 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Only this latest incarnation of this sheet-wearing monster is new. And I call BS on the claim of 20 years as an Army infantryman.
Same here.
 
Old 03-07-2013, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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I don't know why they didn't test Zimmerman for drugs and alcohol. They did handcuff him and take him to the station and questioned him for 5 hours, so they had some time to observe his demeanor. But it's probably always best to do the test in instances like this.

I can answer why they didn't call Trayvon's cell to tell his parents. When his cell phone was found at the scene, it had a dead battery. And Trayvon had no ID on him, so the police had no way to locate his family that night.
What authority did they have to do so? Specifically, what law, statute, etc gives the police the right to test Zimmerman for drugs/alcohol?
 
Old 03-07-2013, 09:19 PM
 
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What authority did they have to do so? Specifically, what law, statute, etc gives the police the right to test Zimmerman for drugs/alcohol?
I would think they have at least the same authority to do that as they do for a driver that they suspect of driving drunk.
 
Old 03-07-2013, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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I would think they have at least the same authority to do that as they do for a driver that they suspect of driving drunk.
You would think? However, you are wrong. Dead wrong. You have NO authority to take a chemical test from someone in this situation, without probable cause. And then you would need a search warrant signed by a judge. Driving under the influence and a murder to different things. Driving is not a right and when you got your drivers license, you signed a little form saying you would give a chemical test, without a warrant, etc.

In this case, the investigating agency would need probable cause to get a warrant. There was absolutely no indication Zimmerman was under the influence of anything. Therefore, there was no way to obtain a warrant and no way to get such a chemical test. Not too mention, a warrant would take HOURS to obtain and whatever may have been in Zimmerman's system, would have been gone.

And, Zimmerman could refuse any chemical test too. Even with a warrant. Are you going to strap him down on a gurney and force the blood out of him? Beat him to a pulp in order to obtain it? There is thing called, "shocking the conscience of the court." Such forced withdrawal "could" be considered such.

Remember, we ALL have a 5th Amendment right of self incrimination. That includes not only not talking about the incident, but also not giving up potential evidence.
 
Old 03-07-2013, 09:27 PM
 
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It seemed to me that when they escorted him from the car at the jail, z had no marks on the back of his head. I watched this over and over. His head seemed flawless and his head was close shaven. I hope they inhance this film at the trial. I think he was a nut case who had visions of being dick Tracy.They told him to leave the kid alone and instead he killed the boy. As for owing the 20 year army veteran anything, if he is infact what he claims, I owe him nothing. He got paid and had the prerogative of leaving the service at the end of each enlistment. As Cheney found out respect is earned.
 
Old 03-07-2013, 09:28 PM
 
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Once Zimmerman got out of his car, he LOST any Stand your Ground defense he may have had.

He should be convicted of manslaughter.
 
Old 03-07-2013, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Probable cause? One guy (Z) standing there with a gun, the other guy (M) lying there dead. Hmmm.
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