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Old 03-18-2013, 08:40 AM
 
Location: USA
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Gray's cousin told the police that he was "Holding the gun for a friend".

How can people say now, that this thug didn't have a gun, when his own cousin made an official statement that he did?

Now we have people protesting, not a problem, BUT some of them are are rampaging, and damaging other people's property. I think the BEST way to handle these thugs would be to simply just shoot and kill em. That way we don't have any wasted time and effort on trials, jail, etc etc. It would also help the ecology, because they would no longer waste good oxygen, food or space in the world, and they could be used as fertilizer.
Do you have a link for the quote? Im interested in the details of the case. Not people's opinion. I find it a pretty interesting case.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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On the heels of three nights of protests over the police slaying of 16 year old Kimani Gray, the NYPD has turned the East Flatbush neighborhood of Brooklyn into a State of Exception, claiming emergency powers to suspend the constitutional guarantees of the citizenry.The people regularly targeted by police harassment and violence, overwhelmingly the city’s poor and minority populations, have taken to the streets to speak out against the NYPD’s draconian tactics. The police have in turn responded with even further harsh measures by suppressing the right of the people to voice dissatisfaction with that very same police force.Cops kettled protesters at Wednesday night’s candlelight vigil, resulting in 46 arrests. Police even arrested Kimani Gray’s distraught sister, Mahnefeh.The NYPD euphemistically calls the public spaces in which the Constitutional rights of the people are suspended “frozen zones.”Allison Kilkenny wrote about the NYPD’s so-called “frozen zones” in December 2011:“The ‘frozen zone’ is an arbitrary, official police business-sounding title that has absolutely zero legal merit. It’s something the NYPD made up, just as the ‘First Amendment zone’ is something [Los Angeles Mayor Antonio] Villaraigosa made up to suppress media coverage of the Occupy raids.”According to FIERCE, the “frozen zone” in East Flatbush is being used to prevent media from covering the protests and arrests. Meanwhile, people inside the “frozen zone” can be subjected to arrest merely by exercising their constitutional rights.“It basically means the area is under temporary martial law,” writes FIERCE. “The last times the NYPD declared a Frozen Zone was on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 and during the beginning of OWS.”An arbitrary dictate that arrests protest and free speech, set forth by the institution that is itself the target of the protests, creates a potentially dangerous precedent of placing the NYPD beyond reproach.Occupy Austin reposted this poignant summary of events by Jen Roesch as they were unfolding in Brooklyn last night:“East Flatbush, Brooklyn is under martial law as the NYPD declares it a ‘frozen zone’. Media are being monitored and kept from moving and reporting freely. Dozens of arrests and much brutality. Kimani was shot in the back seven times; a witness is sure he was unarmed; multiple reports are coming out that the police had been waging a campaign of harassment against the young man (including taunting him about a friend who had died in a car accident and threatening to shoot him when he tried to leave). This is just blocks from where Shantel Davis was shot, dragged from her car and left to bleed to death in the street last summer. After that shooting, police went to all the surrounding delis and confiscated their surveillance videos. Residents in the neighborhood live in a state of terror. Heartbreaking, enraging, the stuff that riots are made of. This city is at a breaking point.”Kimani Gray’s parents are scheduled to hold a press conference this evening to address the March 9 police slaying of their young son.

The NYPD Declares Martial Law in Brooklyn | Alternative
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:47 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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There is a LOT of confusion surrounding this shooting and subsequent action by the city. That this kid was less than a glowing citizen is not in dispute, and his alleged possesion of the revolver makez a case for lethal force here. However, the nagging question remains as to whether or not he actually DID have this weapon. Cops carrying throwdowns is nothing new, and this kid didn't exactly get a shot at due process. Therefore, reasonable doubt exists.

These protests are based in that reasonable doubt, and though the kid is dead, there still remains an obligation to give him the benefit of that doubt. His prior bad acts are being used as a stump to quash a proper investigation of the officers actions.

This move into the neighborhood by LE is not surprising, considering what happened in the wake of the Rodney King business, highly destructive riots, looting and lawlessness are a legitimate fear. It's a situation that needs defusing. Bloomberg needs to get out of his gilded office, and get down there. Face these people, and do the right thing. Stop hiding behind his blue shield, and open up the blue wall. The cops involved here deserve a fair shake, but, so does this kid.

Transparency would go a long way. Mayor Bloomberg! Tear down this wall!
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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God help us if someone whips out a big gulp...
I was going to say; did someone get caught with a 44oz BG?
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:17 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I was going to say; did someone get caught with a 44oz BG?
LMAOO! Not only that, someone was seen dumping a package of salt on a large order of fries. CHEESE fries, no less! Oh the audacity of some folks!
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Bah..if you go to the Daily News website the big headlines is now back to the Newtown shooting and Lanza's plot.
They've all but forgotten this shooting.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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I guess calling "ghostbusters" didn't work.

We have a very thin veneer of civilization. People pretend that things are really ok when they are not and that is the case across the fruited plain. Without fail, if I read an article in some news feed regardless of where in the US, I will also see other articles referenced usually to do with crime and mayhem. Not just in the big urban areas, but in smaller communities. The usual quote is, "we are just shocked that something like this could happen here." Really? Thuggery is a booming social event. A few act in dismay when the cops beat down or kill someone. I suspect that most are just as glad some thug or wannabe thug has been dealt with. Seems rarely do victims of non-police violence get any justice. Liberals are just as afraid as conservatives. They should be.

I once had the experience of spending quite a bit of time around a Houston detective. I came away believing him that we just don't know what goes on "out there" and if we did, we would not sleep.

Thin veneer.


People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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What was that quote?
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Do you have a link for the quote? Im interested in the details of the case. Not people's opinion. I find it a pretty interesting case.
here you go

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A woman who identifies herself as Kimani's cousin told NY1 that Kimani was holding the gun for a friend. She also thought that Kimani was trying to alert police that he had a weapon, rather than use it.
Police Shoot Armed Teen In East Flatbush - NY1.com

Brooklyn neighborhood on police lockdown following protest ? RT USA
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:27 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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So we're labeled by race now?

How bout gender? How about all guys are stoned for all sins of other men.
When men cry sexism after a man gets shot when pointing a gun at police, let me know. K?
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:08 PM
 
Location: USA
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When men cry sexism after a man gets shot when pointing a gun at police, let me know. K?
So its acceptable to point to race?

Don't let your eyes roll too far.
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