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Old 05-06-2013, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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WOW Giuliani hasn't been mayor since , what 2001, and you want to blame him? THIS speaks volumes!
I don't think that's the point he is making. Things got fixed in Guiliani era in much of the city but Briwnsville still was a sewer when Guiliani left. I think he is indicting Brownsville not the mayor.
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Old 05-06-2013, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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They should just hold the mail at the Post Office and residents can pick it up there.


Postal workers too scared to deliver mail in crime-ridden Brooklyn neighborhood, Brownsville - NYPOST.com
"They don’t deliver mail until after 8, and if they can’t get in the building by buzzing someone, they don’t come in because they don’t have a key."

There is the problem right there. I just looked at the area in Google Streetview. Most of the building are locked up and even fenced off. If the mail man doesn't have a key, he can't deliver there. The residents are just POed that they have to go and pick it up.

The neighborhood looks pretty bad, but it does not to be undeliverable for mail. I've personally walked through neighborhoods that look way more dangerous then that, and I'm sure that the USPS delivers to places more dangerous then that. I just don't buy the claim of that one unnamed postal worker.

The problem could probably be fixed with cluster mailboxes on the street.

Looked doors are a problem for mail men and delivery people everywhere. Even in nice neighborhoods, sometimes stuff just doesn't get delivered because of it.
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Old 05-06-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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I know. But the fact that he is being blamed is very lame since there have been how many mayor since he left office? Why aren't THEY being blamed?
I didn't blame Giuliani. I said that it's obvious that since that era did not succeed in changing Brownsville, that something ELSE has to happen to change it. It has been over ten years since the great cleaning up of New York started to wind down. It's not going to change on its own.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:20 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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As I said..... you guys just love to demonize & demoralize the poor.

My father is from that part of Brooklyn, and went on to get full academic scholarships to two of the best Universities in the nation.
Your own grandfather died there and you are defending it? What-Ever! Is your dad still living there, probably not, why? Because he is better than that.

Stop defending these animals! If they can actually read (fat chance) then then can get a post office box like 3~Shepherds suggested. Why should we ask people to risk their lives delivering mail to people who don't DESERVE to have mail delivered.

What a crock.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:48 PM
 
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Is there a law that the PO must deliver mail? When I lived in PA, we had to pick mail up at the PO.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:09 PM
 
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"I think it is sort of a right" Sorry but I disagree. There were MANY areas of the country where they didn't have home delivery. The local Post Office was located in the General Store and did NOT deliver.

The ONLY thing the constitution says is. " To establish Post Offices and Post roads". Period
In my area I do live in the country, home delivery wasn't put in until 15 yrs ago, until then I had to pay for P.O. Box or receive no mail. Many of us lived out of town, but not enough for them to deliver mail to us.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:40 PM
 
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"They don’t deliver mail until after 8, and if they can’t get in the building by buzzing someone, they don’t come in because they don’t have a key."

There is the problem right there. I just looked at the area in Google Streetview. Most of the building are locked up and even fenced off. If the mail man doesn't have a key, he can't deliver there. The residents are just POed that they have to go and pick it up.

The neighborhood looks pretty bad, but it does not to be undeliverable for mail. I've personally walked through neighborhoods that look way more dangerous then that, and I'm sure that the USPS delivers to places more dangerous then that. I just don't buy the claim of that one unnamed postal worker.

The problem could probably be fixed with cluster mailboxes on the street.

Looked doors are a problem for mail men and delivery people everywhere. Even in nice neighborhoods, sometimes stuff just doesn't get delivered because of it.
It seems incredibly odd to me that the letter carriers wouldn't have access to every building on their route. It seems just as strange that the mail would be delivered after 8pm.
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Old 09-28-2014, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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It seems incredibly odd to me that the letter carriers wouldn't have access to every building on their route. It seems just as strange that the mail would be delivered after 8pm.
For their own security many buildings refuse to provide us with a key to get in since carriers have been robbed of their keys which can be used to access the USPS lock boxes or the buildings electronic lock systems. sometimes the regular carrier will know the security code or be let in by building security but when he is on leave the substitute on the route can often do no more then bypass that delivery point.

Because of automation, the carrier doesn't have to spend time to prerpare a route so he is assigned to carry an ever increasing territory as the deliver units lose staff and the need to provide scanning services the start times of carriers have been drifting later and later. While 20 years ago a carrier may have worked a full tour plus carry half of another route and be done by five increasingly he doesn't finish his base assignment until 5:30 and if he had been assigned 4 overtime hours of work on any given day then he is out past 8.

Back in the 90s partially out of postage cost and partially because checks were stolen from carriers at such a high rate LA County gave up on mailing checks. On the 1st and the 3rd of the month with the remaining Social Security checks the pucker factor went high because of the increased risk. In our station of about 40 routes we averaged two armed robberies a year on us as thieves went after government checks and our keys. counting in the other stations serving South Central Los Angeles and someone was always being robbed somewhere on those two days of the month. Delivery stations have even suffered take over invasions on government check day.

Many of us have walked into crime scenes and have heard the gunshots as LA's gang wars were at their peak back then and mail has been temporarily suspended many times. But normally because the LAPD and LA Sheriff told us to stay out for a while. Internally entire streets have been cut off temporarily until residents have dealt with a dangerous dog. since we can't depend upon the municipalities to deal with dogs many districts run on zero tolerance now. One dog bite and that location gets cut from the deliver plan until we know the dog is gone and/or the fencing has been repaired
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