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Look, I'm considered a gz supporter by the IAmTrayvon's, and even I can 'dispute' who initiated the physical altercation. gz could have thrown the 1st punch and missed, or hit tm on the shoulder, or had the punch blocked, etc. I believe tm threw the 1st punch, but other than what gz says happened, it can't be 'proven.'
If you ask if there's any evidence that gz hit 1st, the answer is no.
I'd just like to hear the most commonly held rationale for GZ's portrayal as Satan himself.
Because if they'll concede the provocation aspect, which I don't see much argument against, even from them, then wow, just wow.
IMO, you're wrong. TM had no criminal record. GZ has an arrest record. GZ was using some pretty strong prescription drugs. A drug is no less harmful b/c it is prescription. GZ has a history of violence.
We have no idea if TM was a regular user of marijuana. He has no history of violence. It's not clear if his "vandalism" was a criminal act. Lots of kids commit the same at school. GZ may have, for all we know, when he was in school. And, more to the point, it's irrelevant. GZ did not know TM when he KILLED him. He didn't know anything about him. He could not have used any information about TM when he shot him dead.
Believe it or not, there are actually morons who believe TM never laid a finger on GZ. They think GZ walked up, shot TM, then injured himself to make it look good for the cops. All of the evidence in the world would never convince them otherwise, they see it as nothing more than an act of racism.
The scary part is people like this are actually out in public, among us, and they choose to breed and vote.
Euthanization is whats needed for people like that.
And that's the truth!
The very fact that Zimm shot Tray from the front proves Zimm was acting in self-defense. It's obvious Tray was going after Zimm; otherwise, the shot would have been in the back. Unless, of course, Zimm ran around to the front of Tray and then shot him. Why would he do that when a shot through the back would have worked just as well if all he wanted to do was kill him because he's *gasp* walking while black?
Thinking is fundamental but Traybots don't do that, even on a rudimentary basis.
These threads are hilarious, if nothing else. I can't see a lot of the responses, but use of the 'quote' button suffices to give me my daily giggles at the expense of the brainless Trayvonistas.
The very fact that Zimm shot Tray from the front proves Zimm was acting in self-defense. It's obvious Tray was going after Zimm; otherwise, the shot would have been in the back. Unless, of course, Zimm ran around to the front of Tray and then shot him. Why would he do that when a shot through the back would have worked just as well if all he wanted to do was kill him because he's *gasp* walking while black?
Thinking is fundamental but Traybots don't do that, even on a rudimentary basis.
These threads are hilarious, if nothing else.
Not necessarily. Obviously he didn't shoot him from behind, but he could have started the altercation. Not that there's any evidence of that.
The very fact that Zimm shot Tray from the front proves Zimm was acting in self-defense. It's obvious Tray was going after Zimm; otherwise, the shot would have been in the back. Unless, of course, Zimm ran around to the front of Tray and then shot him. Why would he do that when a shot through the back would have worked just as well if all he wanted to do was kill him because he's *gasp* walking while black?
Thinking is fundamental but Traybots don't do that, even on a rudimentary basis.
The very fact that Zimm shot Tray from the front proves Zimm was acting in self-defense. It's obvious Tray was going after Zimm; otherwise, the shot would have been in the back. Unless, of course, Zimm ran around to the front of Tray and then shot him. Why would he do that when a shot through the back would have worked just as well if all he wanted to do was kill him because he's *gasp* walking while black?
Thinking is fundamental but Traybots don't do that, even on a rudimentary basis.
These threads are hilarious, if nothing else. I can't see a lot of the responses, but use of the 'quote' button suffices to give me my daily giggles at the expense of the brainless Trayvonistas.
Maybe Zimmerman was working on some kind of merit badge for his Competence Resume.
Didn't he prove he was more competent than the police?
No, the hypocrisy comes from the GZ supporters who talk about Trayvon, a complete stranger to GZ at the time of the killing, which GZ had admitted to, calling Trayvon a thug, a drug abuser, yada, yada, who won't look at GZ arrest record, his drug use, his anger management issues.
What's the point of a trial if this is so cut and dried?
Because some prosecutor hopes to score some politican points when someone shot Obama's son. That is the point.
I wouldn't be surprised if Z is convicted but that would be a political outcome not a legal outcome. It's not rational and by no means just but it's to satisfy certain ethnic group. We saw that in Rodney King's trial and I wouldn't be surprised to see it here.
Legally speaking I don't believe Z did anything wrong and all the evidence support what he claimed. This was why he was only charged when under enormous political pressure.
Not necessarily. Obviously he didn't shoot him from behind, but he could have started the altercation. Not that there's any evidence of that.
How do you start an altercation from behind? Point and giggle? That's hardly an altercation. There's no evidence Zimm even touched Tray. If someone 'starts an altercation' from behind, keep walking. Don't turn around and bash in his face. Seems simple enough, even for the simple minded.
No, Zimm didn't 'start an altercation' from behind.
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