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Old 05-28-2013, 09:29 PM
 
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Judges hate the very idea of jury nullification because it renders the judge irrelevant.
It also renders laws irrelevant too, that's the problem.

I want details about your personal experience as a part of that jury.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Jury nullification's real legacy in the US is a lot of hanged blacks and a corresponding number of acquitted whites, let's not forget.
It went both ways although the intent was nullification of an unjust law.
Jury Nullification: History, questions and answers about nullification, links

Jury nullification appeared at other times in our history when the government has tried to enforce morally repugnant or unpopular laws. In the early 1800s, nullification was practiced in cases brought under the Alien and Sedition Act. In the mid 1800s, northern juries practiced nullification in prosecutions brought against individuals accused of harboring slaves in violation of the Fugitive Slave Laws. And in the Prohibition Era of the 1930s, many juries practiced nullification in prosecutions brought against individuals accused of violating alcohol control laws.

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Judges and DAs are appointed by elected officials or elected themselves, wield your power through your voting habits.
agreed
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:58 PM
 
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It went both ways although the intent was nullification of an unjust law.
Jury Nullification: History, questions and answers about nullification, links

Jury nullification appeared at other times in our history when the government has tried to enforce morally repugnant or unpopular laws. In the early 1800s, nullification was practiced in cases brought under the Alien and Sedition Act. In the mid 1800s, northern juries practiced nullification in prosecutions brought against individuals accused of harboring slaves in violation of the Fugitive Slave Laws. And in the Prohibition Era of the 1930s, many juries practiced nullification in prosecutions brought against individuals accused of violating alcohol control laws.

agreed
I think that there are extenuating circumstances that arise on occasion, where jurors with a wink and a nod could choose acquit someone on the basis that they believe a law is truly unjust in that particular application. But choosing to make up the rules as you go along because you want to stick it to a judge, is obviously ridiculous, and flies in the face of our system of justice.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:12 PM
 
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Very popular local restaurant here just got closed down as multiple eaters there came down with Salmonella. Victim count ended above 200.

YOu folk believe that was not a reasonable thing for the government to do?

This particular case moves over into the health codes. You really want to throw those out.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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I think that there are extenuating circumstances that arise on occasion, where jurors with a wink and a nod could choose acquit someone on the basis that they believe a law is truly unjust in that particular application. But choosing to make up the rules as you go along because you want to stick it to a judge, is obviously ridiculous, and flies in the face of our system of justice.
Well there are a lot of things that both our justice system and our legislators do that flies in the face of our federal and State Constitutions.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:17 PM
 
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Well there are a lot of things that both our justice system and our legislators do that flies in the face of our federal and State Constitutions.
And you have the right to file suit to get such rulings reversed. Checks and balances.
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:20 AM
 
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We need more policies that help remove barriers to entry into a lot of our industries. As long as customers know where they're getting their products from, I don't see a big issue.
I don't have an issue if someone wants to take the risks drinking a product like this.

Here's the big issue though, they take this product and use it to make something and then hand it out to others. I don't know if they still do it but when we were kids a Mother might make a treat on your birthday ans send it to the school... That's what I'm driving at.
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:21 AM
 
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And you have the right to file suit to get such rulings reversed. Checks and balances.
I'm currently fighting one that will cost $50,000 in legal fees. Do you care to help out and send me a check
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The idea that is is evil and sinister to have regulation governing milk production is preposterous. These regulation were put in place to protect the consumer from tainted dairy protects that used to cause illness and death.

The subject court ruling is rater narrow -- if one is a member of a food club, it's the same as self-manufacturing and thereby allowed. So those members are free to get sick as they choose.
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Old 05-29-2013, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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The idea that is is evil and sinister to have regulation governing milk production is preposterous. These regulation were put in place to protect the consumer from tainted dairy protects that used to cause illness and death.

The subject court ruling is rater narrow -- if one is a member of a food club, it's the same as self-manufacturing and thereby allowed. So those members are free to get sick as they choose.
No one got sick.

Have you ever looked in government approved cow juice you buy at the supermarket? Besides all the hormones and what not you can oftentimes find traces of oil and blood and who knows what else. It's not even remotely healthy.

I stopped buying grocery store cow milk 2 years ago. My allergies went away over night.

Just because the govt approves of something does not mean it's healthy. Just because something isn't inspected doesn't mean you will get sick.
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