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Old 05-31-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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If God doesn't want little boys and girls getting molested, why did he create pedophiles?

... Or perhaps God didn't make pedophiles.

Maybe there's genetics at work here, maybe there isn't. Maybe people have an inborn sexual attraction to little boys and/or girls. Maybe it's all environmental and developmental. Maybe it's a combination of the two. We just simply don't know ... just like homosexuality. Only difference is that homosexuality is between consenting adults. That makes it legal where pedophilia is not obviously.

Marriage is a religious rite. It has always been between men and women. Why do we have to redefine a religious rite? Why is the government even involved? If gays want equal status under the law and for tax purposes, that's fine. Just call it something else -- even if it's just for the sake of not confusing people. Marriage has always referenced a heterosexual union. If you say you are married, the automatic assumption is that you are straight and joined with a member of the opposite sex. Conversely, when gays reference "my partner" we know what they're talking about.
Advocating something on the basis that it has always been that way doesn't make much sense. Everything changes and everything re-changes. Wrong things happen for centuries and change. Like slavery and how we view race. Our Constitution once counted blacks as 3/5 of a person, and it was the widely held view that such a practice was morally correct. And that view was held by Bible thumpers and atheists alike. Times change and we evolve. Things that were "always done that way" are thankfully scrapped and replaced with new mechanisms that reflect what free people need and want today.

A thing is not necessarily good because it is old. It is just old.

 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Like I said, why is government involved at all?? I'm not saying that they aren't. I'm asking why they are.
Doesn't matter. The fact is that they are, and you just try to get all of those hetero couples to give it up.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:06 AM
 
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That is why the WHOLE bible needs to be read. But Sodom and Gomorrah was not destroyed just because of sex with children. The men wanted the angels to come out of Lot's house so they could have sex with them. They didn't want Lot's daughters, they wanted the angels, who were in the form of men. That was the final straw for God to wipe them out.
Gosh, I guess you've never bothered to read the WHOLE bible then. Try reading Judges 19 about the townsmen of Gibeah threatening to rape the Levite stranger. Thee townsmen ended up gang raping his female concubine all night.

Straight men have use male rape for 1000's of years to dominate and humiliate other men. That's not 'homosexuality'.

Judges 19 NIV


Or try reading Ezekiel 16:49 which tells of the sins of Sodom.

Ezekiel 16:49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.


Or gosh... how about what the Jewish people say about it? After all, they wrote the stories.

HOSPITALITY - JewishEncyclopedia.com


What's your excuse for your choice to remain ignorant in this age of information? What's your excuse for your choice of castigating other people about reading the 'whole' Bible when it's clear you haven't.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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He quoted a translation of a book. One of many I might add, and not in the original language.

There is no proof that it IS the word of anyone but the MEN who wrote, translated, and edited it repeatedly.
Or did you think that the book was written in english and neatly bound for all eternity?
Considering that plenty of "Christians" think that Sodom and Gomorrah were husband and wife, and that Joan of Ark was Noah's wife, they probably DO think the Bible was written in English.

Joan of Arc, Wife of Noah? - Randall Balmer
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:14 AM
 
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LOL, it doesn't say thou shall not give in to a sex addiction either but do not commit adultery covers it all.
Actually THIS 'covers' it all. Shame you haven't read the 'whole' Bible.

Romans 13:8-10
Let, no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet", and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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That verse only applies to the Hebrew Bible.
Timothy is a New Testament. If you're referring to the Leviticus verse against homosexuality, Christians are charged with following the Old Testament as well.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Actually THIS 'covers' it all. Shame you haven't read the 'whole' Bible.

Romans 13:8-10
Let, no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet", and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
So you think that verse means homosexuals can marry?
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:17 AM
 
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Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities

Sounds quite similar to what's happening to our society.

You're spinning your wheels. To progressives EVERYTHING (Bible, Constitution, History) is up for interpretation and revisioning; even the obvious.
Speaking of 'revisioning' {sic} - I guess you don't realise that the original Greek for 'strange flesh' was "hetero sarkos' - which means "different flesh", not 'same'. It was referring to angels.

What you are doing is called eisogesis - reading into text what isn't there.

exegesis vs eisogesis - Interfaith forums
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Advocating something on the basis that it has always been that way doesn't make much sense. Everything changes and everything re-changes. Wrong things happen for centuries and change. Like slavery and how we view race. Our Constitution once counted blacks as 3/5 of a person, and it was the widely held view that such a practice was morally correct. And that view was held by Bible thumpers and atheists alike. Times change and we evolve. Things that were "always done that way" are thankfully scrapped and replaced with new mechanisms that reflect what free people need and want today.

A thing is not necessarily good because it is old. It is just old.
The Constitution was founded with the express purpose of allowing changes down the road.
 
Old 05-31-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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Like I said, why is government involved at all?? I'm not saying that they aren't. I'm asking why they are.
Because Protestants opposed marriage being involved with Christianity and demanded civil marriage, before a Justice of the Peace be the Standard in Europe. English Common Law marriage was brought here by the Puritans in the 17th Century and it was popular and thus remained the standard.
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