Why the hatred of unions in the USA ? (accuse, biased, Massachusetts)
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You are FOS and that lil 39% number you threw out their proves nothing about how rural white America from different income levels voted. Thats the problem with your arguments on this board. You throw out a number that has no cause or relationship to the subject at hand and then start assigning all kinds of half baked liberal talking points to the weak arsed data you took 30 seconds to google. In general your arguments are so weak I could argue from either side and destroy you half baked reasoning, sorry research and pretzel logic that makes impossible leaps from conclusion to conclusion
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Originally Posted by odanny
Guess again, poor white trash voted overwhelmingly for Romney, and Romney locked up most, if not all, of the redneck vote. In fact, Pres. Obama only got 39% of the overall white vote in the entire country.
Rednecks luv 'em some conservative, white bread, right to work, anti-intellectual Republicans.
What a depressing thread. I wonder if other countries has the working poor lining up to ask for less pay and benefits like they do in this country.
Redneck, poor, and proud of it!
Trust me, the poor want better benefits, better pay, better management, and etc. I don't understand why you keep implying that they don't. The problem is job availability along with the lack of qualifications. If someone is just starting off in the workforce with minimum education and certifications, that person would be kidding theirselves to apply at Lockheed Martin as an Engineer. They will be lucky to get a job that pays a bit above the minimum poverty line (which is like $14-15 an hour), so jobs that are available for them typically are retailer positions such as Wal-Mart. So here are their choices, work at Wal-Mart, work at Wal-Mart to gain experience needed for another job, Work at Wal-Mart while gaining the skills, and education needed for a better job, or work at Wal-Mart for life.
People like yourself seem to want everything handed to them, and the fortunate reality is that isn't going to happen. If I started a business today, why should I pay you $20 an hour to do minimum work? You have to earn it.
Now I'm going to ask this question again to you that you seem to be avoiding, would you rather take a wage reduction, apply for temporary assistance, look to make cuts in your budget, and scout out new careers while continuing to work or would you rather just go on unemployment? This will show your work ethic in my eyes.
What a depressing thread. I wonder if other countries has the working poor lining up to ask for less pay and benefits like they do in this country.
Redneck, poor, and proud of it!
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It is depressing and amazing. When I talk with my friends from other countries such as Germany and the Netherlands they are bafflled by the fact that these people vote for the party and politicians who hurt them for decades.
It is depressing and amazing. When I talk with my friends from other countries such as Germany and the Netherlands they are bafflled by the fact that these people vote for the party and politicians who hurt them for decades.
Party hardliners from both sides are baffling. They act like groupies at a rock concert or die hard sports fans.
But how does the Democrats help the middle class and poor? By pushing for an amnesty? How does that help we the people?
How does involving us in Libya help we the average people?
For every sin of the GOP one can find a sin by the Dems.
They are the same wolf. It is only the rhetoric that is different.
It is depressing and amazing. When I talk with my friends from other countries such as Germany and the Netherlands they are bafflled by the fact that these people vote for the party and politicians who hurt them for decades.
Those Europeans need to understand that many people in America, especially within the mid section, most value politicians who profess to be pro-God, anti-gay and pro-gun. Those three issues most matter to them. Other issues, such as economic ones matter considerably less.
Party hardliners from both sides are baffling. They act like groupies at a rock concert or die hard sports fans.
But how does the Democrats help the middle class and poor? By pushing for an amnesty? How does that help we the people?
How does involving us in Libya help we the average people?
For every sin of the GOP one can find a sin by the Dems.
They are the same wolf. It is only the rhetoric that is different.
Exactly; the post above essentially sums up why I decided to become a moderate Independent rather being the liberal I formerly was. As a people, I believe we all want the absolute highest quality of life for ourselves and others, but the question posed is how? Presented in-front of us is a lack of political will to radiate the public into becoming the society the people want it to become; instead our politicans care for re-election and that's about it. Is this limited to either side? Heck no, but until the people realize that things will continue to be the same until another option arises, both the Democrats and Republicans will need to work together to better our nation.
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Originally Posted by StillwaterTownie
Those Europeans need to understand that many people in America, especially within the mid section, most value politicians who profess to be pro-God, anti-gay and pro-gun. Those three issues most matter to them. Other issues, such as economic ones matter considerably less.
Sad reality, isn't it? Social issues matter more than economic issues to most people. None of us should want to oppress each other, but we also need to make sure our well-being financially is sound as well. But our EU Counter-parts also seem not to care about economic issues either, instead bureaucracy is running mad; have you heard about the Olive Oil controversy in Brussels? You would think that the EU has bigger problems than that.
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Originally Posted by artisan4
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It is depressing and amazing. When I talk with my friends from other countries such as Germany and the Netherlands they are bafflled by the fact that these people vote for the party and politicians who hurt them for decades.
Germany is in a unique situation in which it can command higher-wages for their people, for a country of its size, it produces a hefty amount of popular goods that are needed world-wide. And in fact, German companies such as BMW invest into America but not in the Blue States you would imagine them to do it in, but instead RTW States such as South Carolina. So like I said in a post pages back, business is to maximize profits, but if you can better where you are that's great as well.
Pretty much Germany is a luxurious state and people there and across the world are willing to pay the price for their goods. America is the same for military equipment, but that's all I can really think of.
You are FOS and that lil 39% number you threw out their proves nothing about how rural white America from different income levels voted. Thats the problem with your arguments on this board. You throw out a number that has no cause or relationship to the subject at hand and then start assigning all kinds of half baked liberal talking points to the weak arsed data you took 30 seconds to google. In general your arguments are so weak I could argue from either side and destroy you half baked reasoning, sorry research and pretzel logic that makes impossible leaps from conclusion to conclusion
You could argue from either side to destroy my reasoning..............but, well, ya can't.
How do you know whether a union or corporation ever hurt or helped every person that walked into a voting booth last November. Your idiotic assumption about the entire working poulation of the united states is nothing but but insulting hyperbole with no basis in fact.
Coorporate America has enriched my life greatly, more than some corrupt union hack who wants to rob me and millions of others of 2.5 hours of our hard earned pay checks every month
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Originally Posted by artisan4
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It is depressing and amazing. When I talk with my friends from other countries such as Germany and the Netherlands they are bafflled by the fact that these people vote for the party and politicians who hurt them for decades.
You could argue from either side to destroy my reasoning..............but, well, ya can't.
I accept your submission.
Now run along.
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The problem is job availability along with the lack of qualifications. If someone is just starting off in the workforce with minimum education and certifications, that person would be kidding theirselves to apply at Lockheed Martin as an Engineer. They will be lucky to get a job that pays a bit above the minimum poverty line (which is like $14-15 an hour), so jobs that are available for them typically are retailer positions such as Wal-Mart. So here are their choices, work at Wal-Mart, work at Wal-Mart to gain experience needed for another job, Work at Wal-Mart while gaining the skills, and education needed for a better job, or work at Wal-Mart for life. 
