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Old 07-14-2013, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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"The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor?! Lets invade China!" - Bush, had he been president in December 1941.
Iraq harbored Al Quida terrorist.

Bush made it very clear in the beginning that if you harbor terrorist or provide them with a safe haven you're just as guilty as the person who commits the crime & we will not go for that.

Sadam Hussein put his own people through human meat grinders & put them in gas chambers. The man was just as evil as Hitler if not worse.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Iraq harbored Al Quida terrorist.

Bush made it very clear in the beginning that if you harbor terrorist or provide them with a safe haven you're just as guilty as the person who commits the crime & we will not go for that.

Sadam Hussein put his own people through human meat grinders & put them in gas chambers. The man was just as evil as Hitler if not worse.
Who cares what that village idiot said. Iraq was a catastrophic blunder, period.


Bush admits that Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11 - YouTube

Reporter: "What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?"

Worst President Ever: "NOTHING"
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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This is a jokers game.

Interest on the national debt IS part of the budget.

Money for Social Security, Military Pensions, Civil Service Trust Fund and many other funds were spent now instead of later.

The national debt grew every single Fiscal Year since 1957.


"I have 15 Grand more in debt this year, but I actually had a surplus, because I don't count interest on my house as part of my budget plus I drained my 401K to buy a boat to prevent more debt!!!" -liberal math ;-)
Yawn. Next time just admit you don't know the difference between the budget and the national debt and call it a day. It is common knowledge fact that Clinton ran surpluses his final years in office. It isn't "liberal math".

Btw, Bush's first budget produced a $350 billion deficit, a $550 billion deficit in year two. That's without putting the Wars on the books. Throw stones from glass houses much?
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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Yawn. Next time just admit you don't know the difference between the budget and the national debt and call it a day. It is common knowledge fact that Clinton ran surpluses his final years in office. It isn't "liberal math".

Btw, Bush's first budget produced a $350 billion deficit, a $550 billion deficit in year two. That's without putting the Wars on the books. Throw stones from glass houses much?
Government - Historical Debt Outstanding – Annual

Every Fiscal Year under Clinton saw a rise in the national debt, the "surplus" was from spending several government program money now.

Please explain to me how a true surplus sees an increase in the national debt. Why did you dodge this? Clinton had the national debt rise each of his 8 Fiscal Years...how does a surplus = rising debt?


P.S. The policies that Clinton helped put in place that damaged the economy also drove up the national debt under GWB and Obama via less collected taxes, more tax write offs.

Which of these do you disagree with?:

Let's look at Clinton's actions and record with the economy.

1) Granting permanent most favored nation status to China for trade. The result has been increased trade deficit and increased outsourcing. Clinton viciously attacked anyone who claimed what did happen would happen. Even some liberals are now recognizing this damage.

2) The GOP congress and Clinton deregulated by repealing Glass-Stegall. Clinton was "proud" to sign this bill into law, had vocalized years before that he would support the action, and encouraged Democrats to vote for it. Obama has blamed this for the current mess we are in.

3) Enacting NAFTA with bipartisan support. Many people feel as if this hurt the economy and made many Mexican farmers unemployed, some of which moved here.

4) The Housing Bubble started in 1998. Policies in the 1990s allowed this to happen. Bush can be blamed for allowing it to grow bigger and not cleaning it up (it still isn't cleaned up), but it was born in the Clinton presidency.

5) The NASDAQ Dot Com Bubble burst right before he left office. This index still hasn't recovered to its high. The government encouraged this bubble under Clinton's leadership.

6) The Bush Sr. recession ended before he took office and he left a recession for the next president.

7) There was no surplus that was passed to the next president, this myth was a rosy projection that assumed absurdly large growth, no NASDAQ bubble, and no housing bubble.

8) Every Fiscal Year under Clinton saw a rise in the national debt, the "surplus" was from spending several government program money now.
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Upper East Side of Texas
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Who cares what that village idiot said. Iraq was a catastrophic blunder, period.


Bush admits that Iraq Had Nothing To Do With 9/11 - YouTube

Reporter: "What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?"

Worst President Ever: "NOTHING"
Now you're resorting to sound bites & edited videos to make your point?

Why am I not surprised.
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Now you're resorting to sound bites & edited videos to make your point?

Why am I not surprised.
The words are coming straight from his mouth.

Don't get me wrong, Bush & Co tried to sell the Iraq/Al-Qaeda connection (Axis of Evil) in the build up to the war, but that has been proven false.
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:00 PM
 
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The words are coming straight from his mouth.

Don't get me wrong, Bush & Co tried to sell the Iraq/Al-Qaeda connection (Axis of Evil) in the build up to the war, but that has been proven false.
So Saddam Hussein wasn't an evil dictator?
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Old 07-14-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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So Saddam Hussein wasn't an evil dictator?
Since when is it U.S. policy to remove (via invasion) every evil dictator on Earth from power? At the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars spent? Our leaders are often over zealous in acting as police to the world, but that's a bit much.
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Old 11-16-2013, 05:33 AM
 
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Since when is it U.S. policy to remove (via invasion) every evil dictator on Earth from power? At the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars spent? Our leaders are often over zealous in acting as police to the world, but that's a bit much.

Clinton didn't beat the Iraq war drum? Obama hasn't been a war hawk?

Seems like you haven't been able to make a single good point refuting Clinton damaging the economy. All you can do is divert to other poor presidents like Bush (Obama is a bad president too).
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Clinton didn't beat the Iraq war drum? Obama hasn't been a war hawk?

Seems like you haven't been able to make a single good point refuting Clinton damaging the economy. All you can do is divert to other poor presidents like Bush (Obama is a bad president too).
Here is unemployment. Clinton was President from 1992 to Jan. 2000. He inherited unemployment near 8% and it continuously feel and reached 4%. His unemployment rate was better than his predecessor; and better than his successor:



GDP growth rate. Stronger than his predecessor; stronger than his successor. Average 3.8%:


Government Revenue and Spending.
Real government revenue per capita rose throughout Clinton's presidency. It dropped when GW Bush cut taxes. Real government revenue per capita has not been higher since the last year of the Clinton tax-rates, 2000. Real spending per capita was held constant:

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Deficits and Debt:

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For a more comprehensive list of charts, click here:
The Clinton economy, in charts

How anyone can characterize Clinton's economy as "poor economic management" is absurd.

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