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Back in 2003, with the data fresh in everybody's mind, 67% of Fox viewers polled were sure that firm evidence of close cooperation between Iraq and Al Queda had been found, 33% f Fox viewers were sure actual WMDs had been found, and a disappointing 20% of all Americans polled were sure WMDs hadn't just been found, but used.
You found one colonel who'd play along, congrats. I am still trying to connect the post-war count of 500 unfirable shells with the pre-war justification about "a mushroom cloud over one of our cities", can someone outline the causality here? Because as far as I can tell, the mushrooms were the American public: Kept in the dark and fed horsesh.t.
One colonel? Yeah - he discovered it all by himself, right?
Remember the CIA article I posted...
Iraq: How the CIA Says It Blew It on Saddam’s WMD
Now that we’re out of Iraq, the CIA has come clean on how it came to be bamboozled about Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) ferrets over at the National Security Archive (NSA) petitioned for, and got, the CIA’s equivalent of the dog-ate-my-homework.
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Bottom line, from the CIA’s point of view: Saddam used to lie about possessing WMD, so we believed he still was.
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When the [U.N. and International Atomic Energy Agency] inspections proved more intrusive than expected, the Iraqi leadership appears to have panicked and made a fateful decision to secretly destroy much of the remaining nondeclared items and eliminate the evidence.
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We now judge that the Iraqis feared that [Saddam’s son-in-law and Iraqi weapons expert Hussein Kamel Hassan al-Majid] — a critical figure in Iraq’s WMD and [denial and deception] activities — would reveal additional undisclosed information. Iraq decided that further widespread deception and attempts to hold onto extensive WMD programs while under U.N. sanctions was untenable and changed strategic direction by adopting a policy of disclosure and improved cooperation.
Put 2 and 2 together from post #100. Wikileaks said some of what was found had been dismantled. This report supports that.
The actual document (via Scribd) that the CIA decided to release six years later is here.
Exactly. There never was any statement by UNSCOM that the KNOWN missing WMD materials were ever accounted for.
They were unaccounted for. Not "known missing". Is this hard? If you have seen something and now it's gone, you know it's missing. Positive evidence. If you have paperwork that says there should be 15 tons and there's only 5, you don't know if it was ever there in the first place. Negative evidence.
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How do you know they are rusty if they arent before you? Psychic?
OK, I'll grant you that - the actual state of corrosion could not be predicted ahead of time. The degradation of the contents could. Incidentally, they were found long after the invasion had taken place and had b.gger-all to do with the intel that was presented pre-war. Sorry, you don't get to kick somebody's door in because you're sure he has a stockpile of RPGs, then bring out his grandfather's civil war musket as evidence that you were right.
How were conservatives justifying the Iraq war after it was revealed that no WMD were found?
As anyone with even poor comprehension skills can figure out from reading this thread, the conservatard response to "Bush really fouled up in Iraq" is something along the lines of:
No! It was Clinton and the Democrats who invaded in 2003!
And Dubya didn't crash the economy in 2008. It was Obama!
The intelligence came from the Clinton administration, and before you start to say that it holds no relevance, remember, you're still blaming Bush for the Obama administrations failure...
Uh, no. The Clinton administration found and destroyed the weapons. Operation Desert Fox, remember?
And, no I don't blame Booosh for all of Obama's failures. I just point out to folks that have short memories that some of the deficit is because of Bush's ongoing policies. Obama owns part of the deficit, but not all. I don't even blame Booosh for the housing fiasco. I've often referenced a bill that Clinton signed into law that paved the way for that.
Iraq had no WMDs
Iraq had no part in 9/11
Saddam Hussein was isolated and no threat to the US and had not been since the end of the Gulf War.
Over 4,000 of our troops and countless thousands of Iraqis died because of either egregiously incorrect or deliberately misrepresented intelligence.
When the [U.N. and International Atomic Energy Agency] inspections proved more intrusive than expected, the Iraqi leadership appears to have panicked and made a fateful decision to secretly destroy much of the remaining nondeclared items and eliminate the evidence.
That refers to the 1991-1998 UNSCOM inspections. Seriously, that CIA report does nothing to bolster the idea that there was active WMD programs when Bush & Blair started banging their war drums. Quite the opposite.
As anyone with even poor comprehension skills can figure out from reading this thread, the conservatard response to "Bush really fouled up in Iraq" is something along the lines of:
No! It was Clinton and the Democrats who invaded in 2003!
And Dubya didn't crash the economy in 2008. It was Obama!
So there!
If Obama had done what Bush did with Iraq, I can guarantee they'd be calling for his head to be mounted on a spike in front of the Whitehouse.
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How were conservatives justifying the Iraq war after it was revealed that no WMD were found?
