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Old 09-03-2013, 07:19 AM
 
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Yawn. Do you really want to go there?
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State, Clinton Administration, February 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has 10 times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, February 1998

"Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them, not once, but repeatedly -- unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war, not only against soldiers, but against civilians; firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. Not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. I have no doubt today that, left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again." - President Bill Clinton, December 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., December 1998

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., and others, in a letter to President Bush, December 2001

"How close is the peril of Iraqi WMD? Today, or at most within a few months, Iraq could launch missile attacks with chemical or biological weapons against its neighbors" - Robert Einhorn, Former Assistant Secretary of State for Nonproliferation, Clinton Administration, March 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat. Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks, as would we." - United States General Wesley Clark, September 2002

"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and to our allies." - Howard Dean, Democratic Governor of Vermont, September 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years." - Sen. John Rockefeller, D-W.Va., ranking minority Intelligence Committee member, October 2002

"He has invaded his neighbors, used chemical arms, and failed to account for all the chemical and biological weapons he had before the Gulf War. He has murdered dissidents and refused to comply with his obligations under UN Security Council Resolutions. And he has tried to build a nuclear bomb. Anyone who believes in the importance of limiting the spread of weapons of mass killing, the value of democracy and the centrality of human rights must agree that Saddam Hussein is a menace. The world would be a better place if he were in a different place other than the seat of power in Baghdad or any other country." - Howard Dean, Democratic Governor of Vermont, February 2003

"There is a problem -- the probable possession of weapons of mass destruction by an uncontrollable country, Iraq. The international community is right in having decided Iraq should be disarmed." - President Jacques Chirac, President of France, February 2003

"It is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons. We might have destroyed them in '98. We tried to, but we sure as heck didn't know it because we never got to go back there." - Former President Bill Clinton, July 2003

"When [former President Bill] Clinton was here recently he told me was absolutely convinced, given his years in the White House and the access to privileged information which he had, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction until the end of the Saddam regime." - Jose Manuel Durao Barroso, Prime Minister of Portugal, October 2003
Did any of those individuals walk out of Iraq with any of those chemical weapons? No. Did we accomplish fewer lives lost as a result of our invasion? HELL NO.

 
Old 09-03-2013, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Did any of those individuals walk out of Iraq with any of those chemical weapons? No. Did we accomplish fewer lives lost as a result of our invasion? HELL NO.
What we did was to destabilize every country we invaded and allowed the terrorists to take over and flourish.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 07:25 AM
 
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What we did was to destabilize every country we invaded and allowed the terrorists to take over and flourish.
No kidding. People can justify that mistake of a war all they want, in the end, we accomplished nothing positive. However, I could make a laundry list a negatives.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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More croakings from an empty suit who's seen to it that everyone hates us and can't put a simple coaliton together...then dumps it on Congress.

Evidently, I missed something. John McCain must have won the last election, which would explain why he and Lindsey Graham were dispatched to talk to the press while the president does yet another disappearing act.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It doesn't matter what Congress does.
Obama said he was going to bomb; he just didn't say when.
Now our "credibility" is at stake.

Putin gave him an out over the weekend to sit down and talk it over.
Looks like we're ignoring that and forging ahead with an attack regardless.

900+ missiles lobbed at Syria so that AQ can take over.

This is not what America once stood for.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Pa
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The irony is that Obama has still not presented evidence that Assad ordered these attacks. We are all supposed to just take his word for it. Imagine a prosecuting Atty. "Your honor I can't tell you how we know he did it, we just know that he did do it."
 
Old 09-03-2013, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Seems Congress will support the President ...
 
Old 09-03-2013, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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American Liberalism is a far cry from reality and world perception.

The world may not have liked us, but they damn well respected us.
No, we thought the Republicans were idiots. Still do.
 
Old 09-03-2013, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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It doesn't matter what Congress does.
Obama said he was going to bomb; he just didn't say when.
Now our "credibility" is at stake.

Putin gave him an out over the weekend to sit down and talk it over.
Looks like we're ignoring that and forging ahead with an attack regardless.

900+ missiles lobbed at Syria so that AQ can take over.

This is not what America once stood for.
Just announced on CNN. Jon Boehner and Eric Cantor have announced that they will support the president's military action in Syria. That covers the conservative republicans and the tea party faction.

I seem to recall posting that there was a lot more depth to this action than the general public is aware of. Be interesting to see how our anti Obama bots spin this bit of information

The President flies to Russia on Wednesday. He and Putin will do a face to face over Syria. No Cameras..
 
Old 09-03-2013, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The irony is that Obama has still not presented evidence that Assad ordered these attacks. We are all supposed to just take his word for it. Imagine a prosecuting Atty. "Your honor I can't tell you how we know he did it, we just know that he did do it."
Kerry said he was going to present evidence on Thursday which came and went.
Then Kerry pointed to a 2003 photograph of dead Iraqis and told us to watch the youtube videos for proof.
Then on Saturday he got dead Syrian hair which has flouride in it as more proof.
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