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No mess created. No problem created. These laws are not new. Very few people actually have true issue with them, as these kinds of laws go back to the mid-1800s. The only one with a "problem" are those who are apparently not fit for the responsibilities of civilization or life in a plural society.
"I will make your cake but do not tell anyone that we made it because I disagree with your lifestyle and I do not want associated with it".
Apparently, they will be operating the bakery out of their home.
Does anyone know if the same anti-discrimination laws apply to someone working out of their home?
Well, thankfully, Fair Housing Laws don't apply in the same type of circumstance.
BTW, they didn't refuse to sell cakes to the couple, they refused to bake one for their wedding. Secondly, you left out a pertinent fact: they were Christians. I'd like to see them try that at a bakery run by Muslims.
Wedding planners, bakers, and photographers should all be on notice about what the real gay agenda was and is and that "loving whomever you want" wasn't the goal at all. Not by a longshot.
If you are on the side of the gay couple then you also need to be on the side of Adolf Hitler's parents.
At least be consistent.
What is not consistent?
If the nazi couple wanted a regular everyday wedding cake with flowers, and decorative piping, the bakery should make the cake. If they wanted a giant swastika or a gas chamber, that could be deemed offensive material.
If the lesbian couple wanted a normal everyday cake with flowers and piping, the bakery should make the cake. If they wanted a giant vagina, or depiction of oral sex, then that could be deemed offensive material.
I have no idea how they wanted the cake decorated. They did not want to participate in an activity they found offensive.
Businesses make these kind of decisions all the time. As I've asked before is it really better for them to have said that they would make the cake but they didn't want the couple to tell anyone where they got it because they did not want their business associated with an activity they disagreed with?
The solution here does not make the problem any better.
If they found baking cakes offensive, then they shouldn't have opened a bakery. That is the only activity they were asked to participate in, baking a cake. No one invited them to the wedding, they are not officiating at the wedding, their cake wouldn't even be present at the wedding. The cake is part of the reception AFTER the wedding, and generally not even at the same location as the wedding.
BTW, they didn't refuse to sell cakes to the couple, they refused to bake one for their wedding. Secondly, you left out a pertinent fact: they were Christians. I'd like to see them try that at a bakery run by Muslims.
Wedding planners, bakers, and photographers should all be on notice about what the real gay agenda was and is and that "loving whomever you want" wasn't the goal at all. Not by a longshot.
Some are bitter and I do understand that but bitterness never makes a situation better. It will only cause more problems.
If they found baking cakes offensive, then they shouldn't have opened a bakery. That is the only activity they were asked to participate in, baking a cake. No one invited them to the wedding, they are not officiating at the wedding, their cake wouldn't even be present at the wedding. The cake is part of the reception AFTER the wedding, and generally not even at the same location as the wedding.
"I will make your cake but please do not tell anyone where you bought it because we do not agree with your lifestyle and do not want to be associated with it".
They fall within the law but does it really accomplish anything?
So if the owners said they wouldn't take the order because the woman's hair was brown then they are not breaking any law because brown haired women are not a protected class.
Well that sure puts it in perspective. Just lie about why you don't want to serve someone.
Well of course if you lie, especially to a court or the EEOC when a complaint is filed, you can be in a heap of trouble. It's not exactly hard to prove that other brown haired people have been served, except for this brown haired person who also happens to be Muslim. Or gay. Or Jewish. Or transgendered. Or whatever.
I've defended an EEOC claim before. It's often not that difficult to sift the actual bigots from those wrongfully targeted.
A Toronto barbershop has found itself at the centre of a human rights complaint after its barbers refused to cut a woman's hair.
Faith McGregor, 35, went to the Terminal Barber Shop on Bay Street, back in June looking for a haircut.
But she was turned away.
The barbers, who are all Muslim, told her their religion didn't allow them to cut the hair of a woman who is not a member of their family.
McGregor filed a human rights complaint.
Oooh, what are the righties going to say now? Who do they hate more, gays or Muslims? Such a conundrum. If they defend the bakery owners, they have to defend the ...gasp...dreaded Muslims.
What to do, what to do?
Why go to Canada? We have such cases right here where Muslim taxi drivers are flouting the ADA by refusing to pick up people with service dogs or carrying a bag of booze because those things run contrary to their religion. Righties might say that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Reductio ad Hitlerum is a tired tactic and easily dismissed as an attempt at deflection. Please come back to reality.
This was a case that actually happened. It isn't comparing the past leader of Germany with anything that happened here.
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wasn't the goal at all. Not by a longshot.