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If the democrats caused a government shut down because they didn't have enough votes to pass gun control, would you be okay with that?
That is what is happening here, the GOP is using the shutdown as a bargaining tool because they lack sufficient votes in congress to get what they want.
NOT at all the same.
Obama unilaterally changed Obamacare AFTER it became law, to give exclusions and waivers. To selected citizens. That is NOT how the law was written.
THEN he delayed it for a year for businesses while refusing to OPTIONALLY delay it for citizen workers.
ALL THE HOUSE ASKED FOR WAS TO DELAY THE WORKER MANDATE. AND REMOVE THE SUBSIDIES FROM CONGRESS (also not in the law)
You Liberals don't even have an ideology any more. ANYTHING Obama can get away with you love. Even if it is BREAKING THE LAW to act as dictator.
The IRONY that you are now SIDING WITH BIG BAD BUSINESS over your own self interests.
Are you guys WILLFULLY ignoring the facts or just too lazy to read them?
As will happen with any law, but we don't allow small elements of an political party to shut things down over a law that has been passed in this system.
OH RIGHT! That's why the Democrats fought to get rid of "Bush Tax Cuts" for 10 years. They were LAW, too.
And NO. Obama making MAJOR CHANGES to a MAJOR LAW like deferring the MANDATORY participation of BUSINESSES is not some little minor thing.
No, Republicans are trying to backdoor their agenda to kill Obamacare. This should have been a routine bill but Boehher, who favored a clean bill, got bullied by his radical wing. Piecemeal bills have the same effect as defunding Obamacare so of course Democrats won't go for it. This is the right's last gasp and last opportunity to kill Obamacare before it's fully implemented.
Can I burn down your 2nd floor?
No.
Can I burn down your garage?
No.
Can burn down anything in your house?
No.
Waa! Obama won't negotiate.
Obama: "I declare Congress and the Executive Branch exempt from Obamacare and businesses exempt from the Obamacare mandate for a year since next year is election time. Even though the law was passed differently."
The House: "OK and you'll exempt the CITIZEN workers individual mandates, too, right?"
Obama: "No. I get to chose which parts of the law to enforce or not".
The House: "No you don't. And We have the power of the purse constitutionally, dude".
Obama: "Go F yourselves and that pathetic Constitution".
Originally Posted by volosong View Post
I'm just wondering. Whoever sits in the oval office is usually pretty isolated. How much of what's happening, (from the administration), is coming from Obama himself and how much is being driven by his advisors?
Um, no they aren't. Where did you make up that little piece of excuse making?
He knows that The Redskins football team name is currently controversial and meddles in that controversy but doesn't know WHAT ELSE exactly?
And that's so sad you go to THAT extreme to protect your President Stompy Foot Dictator.
Come on now. You obviously know NOTHING about the man. ie teaching Saul Alinksy Rules For Radicals to community organizers.
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None of the other shutdowns lasted more than one day, none of the other shutdowns approved back pay while the shutdown was in progress, this is the record.
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Never has there been a shutdown where government workers were sent home for more than a day, there is no record of 800,000 workers being sent home for this period of time. There is no record of a shutdown removing a major program that was already approved being defunded and workers were never approved for back pay in the middle of a shutdown. Please don't quote the Wikipedia version.
hahaha oh look - another person who doesn't know what they're talking about.
Since 1976, there have been 17 different government shutdowns. The longest came in 1995-1996 and lasted 21 days, as Bill Clinton wrangled with congressional Republicans over budget matters. But there were six shutdowns in the 1970s, all lasting longer than eight days, and there was even a one-day shutdown in 1982 when Congress couldn't agree on funding for Nicaraguan Contras.
Hilarious your entire view of "shutdown" revolves around the stipulation of the definition being 800,000 government employees being sent home. And some word salad.
WHAT major program has been removed? (and BTW, it is THE HOUSE"S constitutional right and duty to not fund things - CHECKS AND BALANCES)
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OMG OMG 17% of the government is not funded and babies are starving.
Oh wait.
Today the Treasury managed to issue a completely new $100 bill and deliver it all over the country. After several years of WASTING TAxPAYER MONEY screwing the project up.
HILARIOUS IRONY that only during a shutdown, with alleged INDISPENSABLE workers sitting at home, they finally get it right. Even Progressive heaven PBS notes the irony.
Never has there been a shutdown where government workers were sent home for more than a day,
Last shut down November 14 through November 19, 1995 and from December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996, for a total of 21 days
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
there is no record of 800,000 workers being sent home for this period of time.
As for the 800,000 workers.. no, government was never this big..
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
There is no record of a shutdown removing a major program that was already approved being defunded and workers were never approved for back pay in the middle of a shutdown. Please don't quote the Wikipedia version.
I'm done embarassing you.. None of this even matters... nor was this what you originally said..
you're changing the goal post, and YOU WERE WRONG..
Government workers were never sent home for 21 days, at least not 800,000 not in 1995 and not in the 1970's.
There wasnt 800,000 federal employees then.. That tells you how much we've grown the size of government unnecessarily..
But keep moving that goal post, one day you'll stop being wrong.. In the meantime, we get to laugh because of your non stop whining over the shut down.
There wasnt 800,000 federal employees then.. That tells you how much we've grown the size of government unnecessarily..
But keep moving that goal post, one day you'll stop being wrong.. In the meantime, we get to laugh because of your non stop whining over the shut down.
Where do you get your data? I believe there were well over 800,000 civilian employees during the last shutdown.
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