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Old 10-07-2013, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I hear a lot of passionate opposition to the plan, but I hear nothing about alternative proposals. That goes for this forum as well as the Republicans.

Do you really favor a status quo where you quickly lose access to healthcare if your employer fires you; where 50 million remain uninsured who we all pay top dollar for when they end up in the ER given no preventative care; where insurance companies can drop your coverage when you need it most; where costs have already been skyrocketing for a long time; and where we lead the advanced world in cost per capita and get mediocre quality of life results in return?

I'm open to something else, but I don't think "just go back to the way it was" is sustainable. So...what is that "something else?"

The problem is that this is not the kind of a market where each participant can just bear the full cost of their consumption by themselves; by its very nature, costs need to somehow be shared between the healthy and the sick. That is the essence of the insurance concept. You need some sort of a comprehensive solution, because everyone is in the healthcare market, whether they like it or not.

If Republicans offered a clear, comprehensive solution that addressed cost, quality, and coverage, I could perhaps get behind it. It seems that all they are implying is "we don't care who has health insurance; every man, woman, and child for him/herself. All we care is that there is no Obamacare."

I am an advocate for single payer true universal healthcare, ala expanding Medicare.
ACA is a compromised piece of legislation but we have to start somewhere.


The added value of ACA is that it has become highly unlikely, come what may, that the U.S. will fall back to the way it was. Even the most vocal ACA naysayers now talk about the need to address healthcare, just not the ACA way.

It's been 3.5 years since ACA became law. Darn shame that all the time , money and effort was spent trying to repeal it at least 41 times, instead of improving it.

Social Security came out of the New Deal in the mid 1930's. Initially, it excluded all minorities, most women and many professions. Laws were amended, not thrown out with the bathwater.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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OP, stop depending on others to pay your way. Thinking that other people should pay for your needs is called "entitlement". Pay for your own insurance like the rest of have to do.

People are really sick of government taking so much money out of their paychecks. They work hard for that money and the government grab is really unfair.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Insurance is NOT the government's job.
Medicare is insurance. People pay premiums into it for 40-45 years before they use it. The primary thing wrong with Medicare is that payroll taxes did not keep pace with inflation, let alone healthcare inflation.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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Government payments and health insurers created healthcare inflation.
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Old 10-07-2013, 03:59 PM
 
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OP, stop depending on others to pay your way.
Where, exactly, is the OP making such a demand?
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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The insurance I pay for has steadily gone up because it's having to pay for the uninsured via hospital overcharges to insurance. That is the unsustainable part the OP was refering to. ER visits costs taxpayers and the insured alot more than just going ahead and having a program in place that provides cheaper preventative care and heads off expensive ER visits.
Whatever the reason, whatever the excuse............IT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE GOVERNMENT!

Now you know.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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ObamaCare can be replaced with a simple law that allows portability of health insurance for people that are between jobs, allows sale of insurance across state lines, and prohibits the practice of refusing to give health insurance, or dropping insurance to people with preexisting conditions.

There is no reason for all the heavy-handed federal government control that we see causing havoc with the ACA.
COBRA already allows for portability of insurance between jobs. Most people do not take advantage of it, because they are unable to afford the premiums, without an employer subsidy.

There is no federal law that precludes the sale of insurance across state lines. BCBS, for example is licensed in all 50 states and sells insurance within state that complies with state laws to people living in the state.

In order to sell across state lines means the policy will comply with the insurer's domiciled state, not the insured party's state. Most folk DK their own state laws. How could they be reasonably expected to know and compare and contrast laws of the 49 other states.

Deferring all state laws relative to healthcare insurance to federal law puts the federal government in the driver's seat. And around we go.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Government payments and health insurers created healthcare inflation.
very true, both pay healthcare providers for those ten dollar band-aides and twenty dollar asprin. The reason providers charge that is because they are covering for the healthcare of the uninsured. The people who are paying for insurance are charged more for their premiums. That whole system is nothing but a scam. Taxpayers and those buying their own insurance have been covering for the uninsured for years and it is not sustainable. So i'm not really sure what the fuss about the ACA is. At least now the uninsured can actually pay some into a system instead of paying nothing for their medical needs going to the ER.
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Government payments and health insurers created healthcare inflation.
Oh my! How did people go to the doctors before the government decided to run the healthcare in this country, I wonder....! That can't be possible. The government is the savior!!!
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Old 10-07-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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I hear a lot of passionate opposition to the plan, but I hear nothing about alternative proposals. That goes for this forum as well as the Republicans.
There is only ONE thing needed from our federal government. LESS.

In fact, the DEFINITIVE answer is "nothing". Our federal government SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED. In any form, fashion, or means. Ever.
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