So if not Obamacare, then what instead? (drug, Walmart, election)
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I mean no offense but this is a false argument. The reason your premiums have been going up is because it was mandated that hospitals have to cover the uninsured at all (yes, in emergency situations). They are already getting health care coverage on your dime because the hospitals have to treat them. The ACA won't change that fact for those who can't afford to pay, specifically those below the poverty line who won't be penalized for not having insurance. "But there are those who can afford to pay and choose not to do so, what about them?" They took that risk, and should accept what follows from that risk. The reason for the ACA is so that the government can control everything.
No offense at all! I enjoy any good civil replies to anything I say. I'm only offended by cheap shots/naming and childish posts. You had some good points in your post.
Obama never wanted single payer. He made lip service to wanting it but he didnt go full in for it. Hes too in to the insurance companies and ACA is a pure money grab for the insurance industry.
If a constitunial amendment came up to vote on a national election with a 60% approval needed a single payer would pass if it was written correctly.
Obama said that 0bamaCare is the first step towards a multi-year transition into single payer.
How about paying your own way. You want insurance? Buy it yourself?
Or pay cash. You get big discounts for paying cash.
Insurance is NOT the government's job.
OMG, really... if insurance is exorbitantly expensive for many on the private market, especially those with pre-existing conditions who need it the most, then how does that work?
It means that 50 million+ lower income who don't qualify for Medicaid don't get any healthcare coverage. And if they could afford to pay even a discounted rate in cash, they wouldn't be where they are in life.
And here's the kicker you haven't thought of: you and I STILL on the hook for their costs, because who do you think pays for it when they show up at the ER after years of lacking preventative care and need massive intervention at the most expensive rates possible? Abdicating responsibility for a comprehensive solution STILL doesn't absolve you of the cost burden.
Your response is not credible as it is the status quo that has already resulted in massive increases in costs over the past decade. If we're going to tackle this problem, we need something better.
Dont listen to what he ever says. Pay attention to what he does. He had the chance to pass any plan he wanted. ACA is what was passed. Remember we must pass it before we know whats in it. Plus theres plenty of youtube of him saying he had issues with single payer.
Obama never wanted single payer. He made lip service to wanting it but he didnt go full in for it. Hes too in to the insurance companies and ACA is a pure money grab for the insurance industry.
If a constitunial amendment came up to vote on a national election with a 60% approval needed a single payer would pass if it was written correctly.
It may turn out that single payer would have been a better way to go. The ACA does create another huge government administration in healthcare. We already have medicare, medicaid, VA health system to just name a few. Could have at least gone down to just one agency with single payer. It would have also eliminated the profit margines passed onto consumers and the gov by the insurance industry.
Free clinics are not "free." It's just someone other than the consumer paying for the cost. Haven't you ever heard the saying about there being no free lunch?...
Seriously, people? This is the thought you've put into this?
People concerned about the deficit should be talking about reigning in all the entitlements. As an example the real cost of Medicare Part b and D is about $500 yet Medicare recipients unless they are very wealthy only pay $133.
One of my favorite topics- Medicare part D- prescription medications. This was a Republican initiative passed in 2003 with nary a thought as to cutting costs elsewhere to pay for it or to raise Payroll taxes. It's was 100% deficit spending. That it became law before the 2004 election was no accident.
What it did not include was a mandate for Medicare to negotiate the price of drugs- in fact it prohibits it. And so, the U.S. government pays more for prescription medications than the rest of the world.
It was implemented in 2006, just 4 years before the oldest of the baby boom began to turn 65 to the tune of 10,000 people a day, a trend that will continue for 20 years. Almost immediately, the initial cost projection were blown.
It would be a slam dunk to cut $ half a Trillion in deficit spending over the next ten years, yet no one in Congress, including the Tea party reps seem interested in doing so. Guess it's more important for government to give a hand out to Big Pharma. If allowed, Medicare could buy meds from Canada who buys from the U.S. and come out ahead.
OP, stop depending on others to pay your way. Thinking that other people should pay for your needs is called "entitlement". Pay for your own insurance like the rest of have to do.
People are really sick of government taking so much money out of their paychecks. They work hard for that money and the government grab is really unfair.
First of all, this isn't about me personally. I have insurance, and I am in the top few percent of wage earners per the IRS tax tables.
Second of all, what happens when tens of millions can't afford health insurance? What do they do? And do you recognize that you're STILL paying for the uninsured regardless, except that you're paying the most expensive rate when they need ER care instead of the preventative care they should have been getting?
Finally, recognize that what you're proposing hasn't worked as there has been a big run-up in expenses over the past ten years that shows no signs of slowing.
21 states have refused to allow the Medicaid expansion. Guess what they all have in common.
My sources show that number to be 25 states are not considering expansion. To answer the question...most of those states have the highest percentages of uninsured citizens and legal aliens.
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It's just someone other than the consumer paying for the cost. Haven't you ever heard the saying about there being no free lunch?...
