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Old 12-30-2013, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Of course not, I am suggesting the government assistance make up the difference which would be lower than what is given now.
But our programs don't work that way.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:11 PM
 
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Not really, it actually does what you are suggesting be done. If the government makes up the difference of what is lost, the amount would be lower than what is given now.
urbanlife - I am posting this again because you didn't respond to it earlier in this thread. This is the budget I followed living in a major east coast city from 2008-2009. Can you post a sample budget showing the economic need for a high minimum wage?

Here is an actual budget I used for a few years. I track my spending to the penny, so this is a copy and paste from my old spreadsheet.

Rent: $300 (crappy apartment shared with two roommates)
Utilities: $150
Bus Pass: $95
Food: $300 (at home and eating out)
Cell Phone: $50
Internet: $75
Health Insurance: $120 (you have a high deductible, but you have it)
Misc. Spending: $120
Savings: $347

Total yearly: $18,684
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Hayek actually suggested doing just that as a conservative way to help elevate poverty without setting a minimum wage. In practice, the right wingers are against doing that as well though even though it is the doctrinal alternative according to the Austria school. Which just goes to show they don't even follow what their own economists say should happen.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Hayek actually suggested doing just that as a conservative way to help elevate poverty without setting a minimum wage. In practice, the right wingers are against doing that as well though even though it is the doctrinal alternative according to the Austria school. Which just goes to show they don't even follow what their own economists say should happen.
Gee who on the left proposed that ?

Neither side in government has ever done anything to change eligibility except raise the percent of FPL for qualifying.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:19 PM
 
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Judge rules SeaTac's $15 wage measure excludes airport workers

Less than a week before a $15 minimum wage was to take effect for about 6,300 workers in SeaTac, a King County, Wash., judge has barred its enforcement at the airport but will let it stand at nearby hotels and parking lots.

The upshot is that only about 1,600 hospitality and transportation workers in SeaTac now stand to receive a $15 minimum wage on Wednesday, the start date for Proposition 1.

The other 4,700 people, who work at the airport for contractors, concessionaires and car-rental agencies, are not covered by the ballot measure, King County Superior Court Judge Andrea Darvis ruled Friday.

Interesting... the judge had mercy on the federal government that would have to pay the airport workers, along with other transportation companies.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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But our programs don't work that way.
Our programs have never been adjusted? I find that hard to believe.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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urbanlife - I am posting this again because you didn't respond to it earlier in this thread. This is the budget I followed living in a major east coast city from 2008-2009. Can you post a sample budget showing the economic need for a high minimum wage?

Here is an actual budget I used for a few years. I track my spending to the penny, so this is a copy and paste from my old spreadsheet.

Rent: $300 (crappy apartment shared with two roommates)
Utilities: $150
Bus Pass: $95
Food: $300 (at home and eating out)
Cell Phone: $50
Internet: $75
Health Insurance: $120 (you have a high deductible, but you have it)
Misc. Spending: $120
Savings: $347

Total yearly: $18,684
Those are some low numbers, you must have found yourself hungry from time to time. I would hate to have a kid with an income like that.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:40 PM
 
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Those are some low numbers, you must have found yourself hungry from time to time. I would hate to have a kid with an income like that.
I made homemade tortillas (flour, oil, water and salt) as well as black beans and rice once/week (all extremely cheap in bulk) and added in whatever was cheap in the store for most of my food. You can eat a meal this way for a few dozen cents/person/meal.

A 50 lb bag of flour, 50 lb bag of rice and 20 lb bag of black beans costs next to nothing and keeps you fed for a long, long time. Just add in whatever fresh veggies and meat is on sale.

No one says having a low income should be living in luxury, but it is absolutely possible. Let me ask for a third time, what is the monthly budget you expect someone to follow?
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:44 PM
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Judge rules SeaTac's $15 wage measure excludes airport workers

Less than a week before a $15 minimum wage was to take effect for about 6,300 workers in SeaTac, a King County, Wash., judge has barred its enforcement at the airport but will let it stand at nearby hotels and parking lots.

The upshot is that only about 1,600 hospitality and transportation workers in SeaTac now stand to receive a $15 minimum wage on Wednesday, the start date for Proposition 1.

The other 4,700 people, who work at the airport for contractors, concessionaires and car-rental agencies, are not covered by the ballot measure, King County Superior Court Judge Andrea Darvis ruled Friday.

Interesting... the judge had mercy on the federal government that would have to pay the airport workers, along with other transportation companies.
you can't have two governments over one people. it won't work in the long run.
that's the main point, over and over.
one will have to give to the other eventually.
both can't be as powerful as they are.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Our programs have never been adjusted? I find that hard to believe.
You have just been saying that a higher wage would get them off government programs.
Now you want the eligibility to be raised so they can stay on government programs ?

I can only shake my head at that type of thinking.

Why not just leave them where they are and you don't have to change the programs then ?
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