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Old 11-24-2013, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by pnwmdk View Post


no, you're just incapable of forming a coherent argument.
Sorry, it is you that is having the problem ...

Extrapolating your way of thinking ... NOTHING is a "personal decision".

 
Old 11-24-2013, 12:24 PM
 
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The people who post here aren't the know-nothings. I'm interested in why intelligent people are okay with giving the government control
Your assumption that they're intelligent is the reason that you're confused.
 
Old 11-24-2013, 12:25 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Conservatives are against union contracts. It is obvious since they promote "right to work" laws which are nothing more than a RESTRICTION on certain union contracts between two CONSENTING adult entities. Its the only time in recent history that they've "protected" workers from anything.

Conservatives are often against the legalization of prostitution. Do you disagree? These are consenting adults but you and the government have decided that this is illegal. Granted, the conservative Louisiana senator seems to enjoy them.

Conservatives are often against allowing people to open bars in many areas and are often for laws that require them to close at certain times.. unless of course they're big campaign contributors like casinos.

Conservatives are often against legalized gambling. They want to be able to selectively choose select winners who are allowed to provide gambling. Its illegal for everyone else.

Conservatives are often against legalization of drugs, both prescription and "street" drugs. They feel it is for the greater good if you don't have the choice to decide for yourself.

Conservatives are for restricting certain types of marriages. They want to allow straight but disallow gays. They think it is for the best if we make that choice for you, so be straight.

Conservatives are generally for banning nudity. They feel the human body is offensive and ruins the lives of onlookers, especially children. Children can not possibly process the fact that we have bodies. They must be hidden! Its about as rational as sharia law.

Conservatives generally support restricting the right to vote. They create laws to make some of the things above illegal and when they catch you doing it they remove your right to vote. It is common knowledge that many conservatives wish that only people who pay federal income taxes had the right to vote and locally only people who pay property taxes.
 
Old 11-24-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Your assumption that they're intelligent is the reason that you're confused.
You too are confused, I could say why I think this is but you would cry and I would get an infraction .... You guys want the Government to control ONLY things you don't agree with.
 
Old 11-24-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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Sorry, it is you that is having the problem ...

Extrapolating your way of thinking ... NOTHING is a "personal decision".
No, that's just your imagination on drugs. You seem to be wholly confused about what you're arguing.

I can't be allowed to choose what to insure myself against, because there's some stupid theory that me failing to buy a policy that pre-pays for birth control (I'm 50, had a vasectomy, and my wife had a hysterectomy) is going to damage society.

I cannot imagine a more stupid line of reasoning. Yet, that is YOUR definition of a choice that is NOT personal, but is to be decided by politicians.

And, further, who the state decides should have marriage licenses is NOT a personal decision in any form or fashion - it's a political decision. It always has been and always will be. Anyone has ALWAYS been able to have ceremony or any other function and claim they are "married" in their own eyes. It has NEVER been illegal - and THAT is a shared decision between two people and NOT an individual decision AT ALL.
 
Old 11-24-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You too are confused, I could say why I think this is but you would cry and I would get an infraction .... You guys want the Government to control ONLY things you don't agree with.
Harrier doesn't know to who "you guys" refers, but he will say what he wants the government to do.

Harrier wants the United States federal government to fulfill its sole function - [securing the unalienable rights of the states and citizens therein], "among which are life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness", and to do so within the framework of the United States Constitution.

(Paraphrase and quote from Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson".
 
Old 11-24-2013, 12:33 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I feel like I have plenty of decision power over my life. And I don't mind having to submit to rules about when I can / can't drive through a stoplight, about corporations not being allowed to put harmful things into my food, and about facing consequences if I hurt other people. Why? Because I'm intelligent enough to recognize the societal necessity and benefits.
 
Old 11-24-2013, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Any "personal decision" that actually affects more than a single person is no longer exclusively personal.

Such is the foundation for all morality.
Morality is subjective not definitive.
 
Old 11-24-2013, 12:34 PM
 
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You too are confused, I could say why I think this is but you would cry and I would get an infraction .... You guys want the Government to control ONLY things you don't agree with.
I want the government out of where they don't belong.

Lefties claim to want the government out of their bedrooms, but expect them to be right outside ready to clean up their mess.

BTW....fire away! I've NEVER reported anyone in my entire time on this forum!
 
Old 11-24-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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No, that's just your imagination on drugs. You seem to be wholly confused about what you're arguing.
I think it is you that needs to cut down on the drugs... How is marriage NOT an individual decision?

Using your way of thinking, name me ONE thing that doesn't involve another party ... Well maybe masturbation, but I have a feeling you are against that.
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