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He lost, and deservedly so if he wanted a ban on oral sex. So that talk may have been bandied about, but now it won't happen. Here in lib-controlled Seattle, we get sex raids, busts, and stings all the time. Consenting adults busted for sex. It's not just fear-mongering partisan scare tactic; it's reality. One of the arguments I've heard our lib leaders make is that prostitution promotes STD's, and so gov't under it's health care responsibility, has an interest in stamping it out. The same argument could be made about anal, especially unprotected. Even about oral, for that matter. Didn't some Hollywood star recently claim that he got cancer from oral sex?
Kind of like New York's soda ban never happened? Kind of like that?
Amd yet, the right bandies this particular meme about constantly. It's even in the OP.
In short because they feel that "P" Obama is their daddy, the 1st lady their mom and Harry Reid their closest Uncle and that they know what's good and can do no wrong by/for them.
Most every law and regulation the OP mentions is a state and local ordinance. Very few regulations mentioned have anything to do with federal law.
so as far as your indictment of Obama, Reid et al it is just partisan BS, snuk into the thread for no particular reason that to take a cheap shot.
Not quite. My definition of a sociopath is someone who has stated he wants no laws and no restrictions on him whatsoever, no matter what, so that he is free to commit any crime or sociopathic act that he chooses, no matter who is hurt by it.
I believe that a pregnant woman is carrying another human being, but would not support someone that would pledge to make abortion illegal. I don't feel that my tax dollars should fund it.
I am not against "same sex unions". I believe that "marriage" is between one man and one woman. I would not support someone that would pledge to make "same sex marriage" federally illegal though.
I am not for "limits" on birth control. I don't want it forced on people who don't believe in its use, nor do I want to pay for yours.
I know that this is a difficult concept for lefties to understand, but most constitutional conservatives just want to be left alone. We just want government to act within its constitutional powers.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Then you can not be a conservative by the standards others on this site have given(must BAN everything we don't like).
Terrible being stereotyped isn't it.
I don't want to pay for others Viagra, HBP pills, high cholesterol pills, etc. if these people want to have sex or eat whatever crap they want THEY should pay for it.
I don't want to pay for others to have 12 children and receive benefits because they are now "poor".
Oh and for those that don't pay attention, I am against Abortion when used as birth control but since I nor the woman would be needing one it isn't my place to tell a woman SHE can't have one.
I'm interested in why intelligent people are okay with giving the government control over some proposed, current or former individual decisions. It's not just healthcare. But things like what you and your kids can eat, drink or wear, what you can and can't do with your own property, what you can and can't say in public, where your kids go to school, what you drive, what your kids wear when they ride their bikes, etc. Are you afraid of making mistakes with your life and your children's lives so you don't want the responsibility of making the decisions? It's easier if the government does it for you? Do you need rules/laws in order to figure out how to function? Or is it that you are uncomfortable when everyone in society isn't exactly alike in what they say or do? You want everyone to be the same so you don't feel like an oddball?
I find this whole debate fascinating, not just here but in our culture. Yes, there are liberals who are often for government regulation of certain things that conservatives wouldn't agree with. However, you can't say that conservatives aren't against regulation of a great many things - things that liberals would be against.
Conservatives (particularly of the religious type) want to control what our kids read, what TV they watch, want to control what sex adults have, want everyone to acknowledge and pray to their own God and be taught their own creation myth in science class, want to control whether you can buy alcohol on certain days of the week.
I come from a background in libraryland, and this was something that came up a lot. Conservative parents don't want the responsibility of actually monitoring what their kids read or watch - they want the government to control that. And they want the government to control what other people's kids read.
I don't think it's a liberal vs conservative thing. They both do it. But I might add, in my opinion, that a lot of what liberals want to control end up benefiting society as a whole, while much of what conservatives want to control really only brings benefits themselves in relation to their religion.
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The people who post here aren't the know-nothings. I'm interested in why intelligent people are okay with giving the government control over some proposed, current or former individual decisions. It's not just healthcare. But things like what you and your kids can eat, drink or wear, what you can and can't do with your own property, what you can and can't say in public, where your kids go to school, what you drive, what your kids wear when they ride their bikes, etc. Are you afraid of making mistakes with your life and your children's lives so you don't want the responsibility of making the decisions? It's easier if the government does it for you? Do you need rules/laws in order to figure out how to function? Or is it that you are uncomfortable when everyone in society isn't exactly alike in what they say or do? You want everyone to be the same so you don't feel like an oddball?
For example, I'm trying to figure out the logic that goes with a woman has a right to say or do what she wants with her body unless it involves having a supersized drink, eating trans fats. or not wearing a helmet when she rides her motorcycle. I'm not saying she can't come to the same conclusions, only asking why she's okay with someone telling her she can't do those things if she's okay with making her own decision on abortion. Telling your kids what you have to put in their brown bag lunch from home or how high you can set your thermostat. When you can run your dishwasher. How much mileage your car has to get. What kind of light bulbs you can buy. Etc...I don't get why you just go along with it all even if you would do those things on your own.
You're bothered that safety precautions are mandated Why? Have you or anyone you have ever known ever puposely purchased an ingredient called "Trans Fat" in a can to add to your recipes? Why would something that large corporations add to food that saves them money but hurts the consumer be a beneficial idea to you? Maybe the government should not have banned DDT. Whether you are aware of it or not, It is research and the people that lobby government that initiates most ban son dangerous or unhealthy products or practices. How else would protections be put in place if not for government bans or laws? Are you naive enough to believe that large corporations should be on the honor system concerning hazardous products? Maybe in China, but who the hell would want to walk around wearing a mask for fear of breathing in pollutants? Are you not aware of the toxicity of so much of the crap that is manufactured there? In case you have not noticed, we are in need of energy conservation due to the impact of the amount of people on the planet compared to resources and the impact that over-consumption has upon the eco-systems. If everybody thought as you do and nothing was addressed and legislated, we'd be up the creek without a paddle. Thankfully, there are activists out there that are doing the research and work that intelligent people are grateful for!
As for the soda cup size issue...it was a non-issue and it had zero to do with how much soda a person could consume...IT WAS CUP SIZE!
And as for your analogy with the abortion issue, that is an over the top ridiculous comparison. When does the government decide where your kids attend school? Last time I checked, everyone has the right to decide if they want to home school or send their kids to private or parochial school.
BTW..If you were driving and hit a guy on a motorcycle and his brains spilled on the street because he had no helmet on, you'd start to kinda wish that he was wearing one.
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BTW..If you were driving and hit a guy on a motorcycle and his brains spilled on the street because he had no helmet on, you'd start to kinda wish that he was wearing one.
There are hundreds of things I wish people would do. That doesn't mean I want the Government to force them to do it.
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