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You are missing the point. It is not about what the government demands, it is about what liberal Christians believe. If they believe the best way to help the poor is thought government programs, then how can you judge their hearts?
That's easy. They are ignoring God. There hearts are not with the things of God. They are trusting in Government, not God. We are to put our trust in God alone. Trusting in Government instead of God is sin.
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Oh, really? I have never known any Christians that believed that.
So? Is this thread purely about your own limited set of observations?
Oh, really? I have never known any Christians that believed that.
As a Christian myself, I know many Christians who believe that. They donate to other sources as well, so they don't believe government is the ONLY way to help others. I also know many conservative Christians who believe many government programs are one way to help the poor, but not the only (or the best) way. As a matter of fact I don't think I know any Christians who are strictly against all welfare programs.
That's easy. They are ignoring God. There hearts are not with the things of God. They are trusting in Government, not God. We are to put our trust in God alone. Trusting in Government instead of God is sin.
No, that is incorrect. Their hearts are with God. They do not put government before God, they simply believe government is a useful tool to help the poor. What makes you think 'putting government before God'? Their motives are pure.
I am not saying everyone's motivations are pure, but there are many liberal Christians whose motivations are pure, and in line with the will of God.
No, Jesus was not a socialist.We are to give from our hearts, not the government to demand most of our paychecks to pay for those who do not work or refuse to. This will in no way encourage people to work as the government takes most of the paycheck , and the takers will live better than the workers. God in no way thinks this is righteousness.
Of course I can't rep you again. This will have to suffice:
You are exactly right. This is not righteousness. It is sin, and it is evil.
In any diverse group, disagreements are bound to be present.
Indeed. As a matter of fact I always thought Satan loves politics because it turns Christians against each other like nothing else. It has got to be his favorite tool.
Where do you get "socialism is sin"? Please provide the Bible passage.
How are you going to contort Matthew 19:24?
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God."
The love of money can make one proud. It is the root of all kinds of evil. It takes ones focus off of the things of God. Thus, it is "easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle ... " The one who loves money is lead away from God. He trusts his money. He doesn't need God (he thinks). Therefore, he will not enter the Kingdom.
Socialism is sin, because it is based on collectivist thinking. And it is covetous. Envy of those who have more.
There are numerous teachings in the bible on money, and wealth. From those scriptures, we know that socialism is wrong. It robs God of what is his. It prevents us from giving to God, because the government takes most of our earnings, leaving nothing to do God's work.
Further, what the Government might do with it is often evil (abortion).
Where do you get "socialism is sin"? Please provide the Bible passage.
How are you going to contort Matthew 19:24?
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God."
No "contortion" required.
The passage does not say that rich people will not enter the Kingdom of God, only that it is difficult.
The only thing necessary to enter the kingdom of God is to acknowledge that one is a sinner and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
Jesus was talking about the difficulty of one who is rich in the things of the world to be focused on the things of heaven.
Christians are to be "in the world but not of the world".
Paul wrote about stumbling blocks to not only the strength of ones own faith, but those that cause others to not receive the above gospel message.
Thus if in he above example, a person's wealth gets in the way of their faith or causes another to stumble, then it is best to dispose of that wealth in the interest of love of God and men(and women).
Nothing about it endorses socialism. The passages often used by liberals to justify socialism are the "feed the poor " and "heal the sick" verses, yet these were commands to individuals, and not an instruction for governments to operate such programs.
Interestingly enough, the same liberals who insist that there is a "separation between church and state" also like to paint Jesus as a socialist so as to add some legitimacy to their redistribution programs.
It doesn't fly. Jesus was not interested on politics or working of government, he came to help people in need, and to be the sacrifice necessary for salvation.
Romans 13 indicates that Christians ought to "submit to the governing authorities". In the United States, the government is the people, and the supreme law of the land is the U.S. Constitution.
The 10th Amendment states that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people".
Thus, these federal redistribution programs are not constitutional, and are likewise not in accordance with Romans 13, as adherence to them is contradictory to submitting to the ultimate authority in this republic, the U.S. Constitution.
No matter how hard liberals try, they cannot make Jesus a socialist, nor try to say that the Bible advocates for such a system.
The passage does not say that rich people will not enter the Kingdom of God, only that it is difficult.
The only thing necessary to enter the kingdom of God is to acknowledge that one is a sinner and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
Jesus was talking about the difficulty of one who is rich in the things of the world to be focused on the things of heaven.
Christians are to be "in the world but not of the world".
Paul wrote about stumbling blocks to not only the strength of ones own faith, but those that cause others to not receive the above gospel message.
Thus if in he above example, a person's wealth gets in the way of their faith or causes another to stumble, then it is best to dispose of that wealth in the interest of love of God and men(and women).
Nothing about it endorses socialism. The passages often used by liberals to justify socialism are the "feed the poor " and "heal the sick" verses, yet these were commands to individuals, and not an instruction for governments to operate such programs.
Interestingly enough, the same liberals who insist that there is a "separation between church and state" also like to paint Jesus as a socialist so as to add some legitimacy to their redistribution programs.
It doesn't fly. Jesus was not interested on politics or working of government, he came to help people in need, and to be the sacrifice necessary for salvation.
Romans 13 indicates that Christians ought to "submit to the governing authorities". In the United States, the government is the people, and the supreme law of the land is the U.S. Constitution.
The 10th Amendment states that "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people".
Thus, these federal redistribution programs are not constitutional, and are likewise not in accordance with Romans 13, as adherence to them is contradictory to submitting to the ultimate authority in this republic, the U.S. Constitution.
No matter how hard liberals try, they cannot make Jesus a socialist, nor try to say that the Bible advocates for such a system.
Kudos!!! You are exactly spot on.
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