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No. There is no productivity in context of machines, only humans lol
And yes, productivity of all humans has vastly improved in the past 100 years, mostly because of the use of said machines. And low skill people use machines as well, even if it is just an electronic cash register.
Some roles became more productive other did not. You cannot lump all tasks then divide the sum and say that how much each should go up.
Some are more productive and have been rewarded with higher pay. Others still flip burgers, dig holes, and a bunch of other manual labor jobs that have not and cannot really change.
Btw. The Dutch don't have the per hourly minimum wage but weekly so if you worked 30 hours you gonna get more per hour compared to someone who worked 40 hrs. The weekly minimum wage for anybody over 23 is currently €336.05, that's $454.24
And what is the minimum wage for 15 - 22 year olds?
Some roles became more productive other did not. You cannot lump all tasks then divide the sum and say that how much each should go up.
Some are more productive and have been rewarded with higher pay. Others still flip burgers, dig holes, and a bunch of other manual labor jobs that have not and cannot really change.
Please. Do you think the vacuum machine riding janitors here are making much money? ahahhahaha.
They get a whole floor done in minutes, 20X faster then without machines....they don't make more money. They will retire when they die.
I took one country..the Netherlands.
They do not tie their min wage to inflation.
They tie minimum wage to AGE.
I'm not going through the rest of your list but I suspect no one ties their wages to inflation.
Minimum wage in the Netherlands rises once again | Dutch News
The minimum wage in the Netherlands rises on January 1 and July 1 each year. It depends on one's age, and gets progressively higher from age 15 to 22, then remains the same for everyone aged 23 or older.
They're working 18 year olds in the Netherlands for $5.40/hr. Even worse they're using child labor (snickers) and paying them the equivalent of $3.91/hr.
That's using the average of 38 hours since they consider full time 36, 38 & 40 hrs.
Some roles became more productive other did not. You cannot lump all tasks then divide the sum and say that how much each should go up.
Some are more productive and have been rewarded with higher pay. Others still flip burgers, dig holes, and a bunch of other manual labor jobs that have not and cannot really change.
I have no idea what you are talking about? What "roles"? I explained to you already that there is no productivity with respect to machines. Productivity involves intent and machines are not capable of doing anything intentionally as they are not self-aware. That's precludes intent.
You have to understand that even those, like you've put it, "digging holes" are more productive today thanks to machines like ditch-witch.
Stop reinventing the wheel and just read that da$n Econ 101 book to the very end, will ya? Lol
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And what is the minimum wage for 15 - 22 year olds?
Funny you left that out isn't it?
Why funny? 15 yo in Netherlands are guaranteed €20.16 and 18 yo €57.13 per day regardless of how many hours they work. We are not talking here about kids living with parents but adults trying to make a living on $7.25 per hour!
That's in your neck of be woods but where I live construction doesn't pay much and Walmart jobs pay peanuts which makes getting out of homelessness very difficult. There is many people ho used to have jobs, houses and families ho went under and just can't get out while this ridiculously low minimum wage makes it in many cases impossible.
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Originally Posted by Hemlock140
We had a homeless camp in our city for a few weeks, and I ran into some of the people at the transit center. These are not city street/alley people, they have good jobs, making well over minimum wage. Some of them I spoke to are making $20/hour in construction. The problem is saving enough for first/last month rent and not having landlord references because many owned their home and lost it in 2008-2009. In our state the minimum wage is $9.32, one of the highest, but even if it were raised to $15 it won't be a "living" wage in an area with high cost of living and high demand for homes.
I have no idea what you are talking about? What "roles"? I explained to you already that there is no productivity with respect to machines. Productivity involves intent and machines are not capable of doing anything intentionally as they are not self-aware. That's precludes intent.
Even those drilling holes are more productive thanks to electric drill. Stop reinventing the wheel and just read that da$n Econ 101 book to the very end, will ya? Lol
Input and output. What are you putting into the mix and what is coming out of it. That's productivity as defined by BLS.
Now who is more productive and competitive in the global market?
The American fellow making $7.15/hr making 12 widgets
The Chinese fellow making $1.17/hr making 12 widgets
The Indonesian fellow making $.52/hr making 12 widgets
Now what happens if you raise the minimum wage of the American without a comparable increase in the minimum wage of the Chinese and Indonesian fellows?
Why funny? 15 yo in Netherlands are guaranteed €20.16 and 18 yo €57.13 per day regardless of how many hours they work. We are not talking here about kids living with parents but adults trying to make a living on $7.25 per hour!
Wrong.
The rates as set for the statutory minimum wage are based on a full-time working week. This usually is 36, 38 or 40 hours a week and it depends in what sector you work. If you are working on a part-time basis, the minimum wage you are entitled to will also be lower. If you are working more hours, you are entitled to more wages.
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