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Old 03-06-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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The following is Americas debt history. You can tell when Reagan and GW Bush did their tax cuts, because the debt growth rate % went up.
Spend more and debt goes up. That's an entirely different subject from revenue.


So now you want to narrow your argument down to capital gains?

 
Old 03-06-2014, 06:44 PM
 
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Spend more and debt goes up. That's an entirely different subject from revenue.
Nice try.

Spend the same, cut taxes, debt skyrockets. It is basic math.

Republicans like to cut taxes because it starves the beast. Cut taxes, then cry about having to cut spending to social programs that help the poor.
 
Old 03-06-2014, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Ironically, since the Bush Tax cuts expired, the deficit became under control. If only Obama could pass tax hikes on the 1%.

Really, taxes for realized income are fine at 39.6%. Just need to tax capital gains the same as earned income. That's how the 1% manage to short change everyone else.
Most European countries have lower capital gains and marginal corporate tax rates than the US because they understand you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Taxing millionaire's income won't do serious damage to the US economy if overall income taxes are kept low, but heavily taxing investment and corporate profits will set the forces of economic growth to seeking greener pastures.

As for that "under control" deficit, cut in half it's still twice the largest Bush only deficit and that was with Pelosi and Reid on board.
 
Old 03-06-2014, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Trickle down exemplified: Mexico. Oligarchs and plenty of poor desperate people. Yes, let's turn America into a third world country.
That will always be the end result of any system of official greed and exploitation.
 
Old 03-06-2014, 06:48 PM
 
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Nice try.

Spend the same, cut taxes, debt skyrockets. It is basic math.
Except it isn't. {Shrug}

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Republicans like to cut taxes because it starves the beast. Cut taxes, then cry about having to cut spending to social programs that help the poor.
Obama extended the tax cuts.
 
Old 03-06-2014, 06:52 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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The Distribution of Household Income and Federal Taxes, 2010 - CBO

Let us help you out. What part of that chart is so confusing to you?
If you make $100,000 a year, you pay 28% in taxes.
If you make $400,000 dollars a year (and your not a CEO) you pay 39% in taxes (and thats not right.)

Tax Brackets (Federal Income Tax Rates) 2000 through 2013 and 2014



But if your a CEO you pay 11%-17%.

Mitt Romney Made $42 Million, Paid Less Than 14 Percent in taxes - ABC News

Warren Buffett's Effective Federal Income Tax Rate Was Just 11% - Forbes



From being in this forum I have come to believe the problem is this,

A non-CEO making $400,000 a year is paying the same tax rate as someone making $2,000,000 a year. But the person making $400,000 a year, should be paying a lower tax rate than the person making $2,000,000.

Our federal tax brackets should not stop at $400,000 dollars, they should continue something like the following, (so people making $400,000 are not being punished, and people making $2,000,000 are not being coddled.)

400,000 - 600,000 ---30%
600,000 - 700,000 ---31%
700,000 - 900,000 ---32%
900,000 - 1,500,000 ---33%

1,500,000 - 3,000,000 ---34%
3,000,000 - 5,000,000 ----35%
5,000,000 - 7,000,000 ---36%

ex.ex.ex. (up to the highest earning American.)



And CEO's capital gains taxed "personal" income, should be taxed at the same rates as the federal tax bracket table.
 
Old 03-06-2014, 06:58 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Originally Posted by chad3 View Post
If you make $100,000 a year, you pay 28% in taxes.
If you make $400,000 dollars a year (and your not a CEO) you pay 39% in taxes (and thats not right.)

Tax Brackets (Federal Income Tax Rates) 2000 through 2013 and 2014



But if your a CEO you pay 11%-17%.

Mitt Romney Made $42 Million, Paid Less Than 14 Percent in taxes - ABC News

Warren Buffett's Effective Federal Income Tax Rate Was Just 11% - Forbes



From being in this forum I have come to believe the problem is this,

A non-CEO making $400,000 a year is paying the same tax rate as someone making $2,000,000 a year. But the person making $400,000 a year, should be paying a lower tax rate than the person making $2,000,000.

Our federal tax brackets should not stop at $400,000 dollars, they should continue something like the following, (so people making $400,000 are not being punished, and people making $2,000,000 are not being coddled.)

400,000 - 600,000 ---30%
600,000 - 700,000 ---31%
700,000 - 900,000 ---32%
900,000 - 1,500,000 ---33%

1,500,000 - 3,000,000 ---34%
3,000,000 - 5,000,000 ----35%
5,000,000 - 7,000,000 ---36%

ex.ex.ex. (up to the highest earning American.)



And CEO's capital gains taxed "personal" income, should be taxed at the same rates as the federal tax bracket table.
If you taxed capital gains like you taxed income every corporation would move overseas with a couple of years and take their taxes and jobs with them. Why do you think companies are moving to Ireland right now?


Thank god you are not in charge of the country.
 
Old 03-06-2014, 07:22 PM
 
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If you taxed capital gains like you taxed income every corporation would move overseas with a couple of years and take their taxes and jobs with them. Why do you think companies are moving to Ireland right now?


Thank god you are not in charge of the country.
No they wouldn't. Why should the guy simply investing in gas stocks pay less tax than the guy driving the truck hauling it?
 
Old 03-06-2014, 07:58 PM
 
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If you taxed capital gains like you taxed income every corporation would move overseas with a couple of years and take their taxes and jobs with them. Why do you think companies are moving to Ireland right now?


Thank god you are not in charge of the country.
You really truly do not understand anything of what you just said. You know that right?

What the Average American Should Know About the Capital Gains Tax - DailyFinance

Start there. The owners of the companies might move (doubtful that a ton would). But not the companies.

They move to Ireland because of the low corporate rate.....this is how many US companies show a $0 tax rate-they shift profits and expenses around such that the profit is made in bermuda or ireland.

And generally they move their incorporation address there, while maintaining their businesses in the home countries.

Sigh.
 
Old 03-06-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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Most corporations love having unlimited access to huge American market, if faced with tariffs the would rather pay and stay in America then move to china and sell to Chinese.

If this moron Clinton hasn't signed GATT we would have a healthy economy today and wouldn't owe half the country to china.



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If you taxed capital gains like you taxed income every corporation would move overseas with a couple of years and take their taxes and jobs with them. Why do you think companies are moving to Ireland right now?


Thank god you are not in charge of the country.
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